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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: I have to ask on behalf of the taxpayer whether they were a safe bet to get €36 million. Out of the Department's engagement with them at that time, was there any arrangement made for the Comptroller and Auditor General to examine how the taxpayers' money is being spent within that company?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: I am not saying if the Department asked him----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: Did the Department see a role for the Comptroller and Auditor General in chasing €544 million?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: There is an arrangement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: I understand that. I just wondered whether the Department took advantage of the fact that it was now engaging directly with the company on this issue to bring about a sure and certain way of accounting for the taxpayers' money separately or by way of oversight generally so that there is a clear line of management and oversight of all that money.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: It was dealt with by way of policy then.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: From an accounting point of view, does Mr. O'Mahony, as an Accounting Officer, get a report from CIE in any way, shape or form on a monthly or yearly basis, relative to the taxpayers' money or the schemes or even the spend of the €36 million? Where did that go?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: How far advanced is the oversight on the new arrangements for school transport?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: I have a final question about funding of a particular scheme in my own constituency which has had national attention, the central access scheme concerning the construction of a bridge. Does the funding come through the Department or the NRA via the Department or solely through the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: It is on an urban road-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: Where would the funding for that project come from in that case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: The Department does not have an input.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: Is it not the territory of the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport? The Department issues the contract, which would provide for certain standards, guidelines and regulations. Is it not the Department's business to find out if this is the case or should the local council find out? Is there not an obligation on the Department, which initiates, oversees and pays for the contract, to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: The site in question is at Laracor in County Meath. Can Mr O'Mahony get information on it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: Yes. It relates to the construction work on the R158. For the work of this committee in respect of the spend on that contract, I want clarified who would have overseen this and who would now be responsible for putting it right. Surely the Department or someone within the NRA or the council must know about this.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: The other issue relates to CIE. In 2012 it received €544 million. How does the Department account for that, does it get a report on the expenditure? Is there a specific report relative to taxpayers' money? How is that company performing? Is the Department happy with its governance, procurement and so on? Will it require more money?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: Did Mr O'Mahony say the Department oversees its corporate governance?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: From a corporate governance point of view, when it was looking for €36 million because it was out of cash did that not raise concerns for the Department as to why it hit that point? Was the Department alerted prior to that, 12 months before, that this was coming?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: Was that not a shocking position to reach, without the Department knowing about it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice System
Chapter 8 - Management of Outsourced Safety Cameras
Chapter 14 - Cash Balances in the RSA
Vote 31 - Transport, Tourism and Sport
(19 Jun 2014)

John McGuinness: Who asked for that? Was it the Department?

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