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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: They will refer us back to the legislation that was passed in 2012. It made provision that Caranua would pay for its-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McCarthy might help us. We have a special report on financial reporting in the public sector, although it might not be relevant. It deals with accounts and the presentation of information. We could link it into our conclusions when we come that issue separately. However, the point is well made. We should not have to waste taxpayers' time, public service time and our time to extract...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: We regularly find that there is information in the heads of or available to witnesses which they do not impart in public session. As Chairman in the last year, I have come to that conclusion. I will not list the Departments I am sure about.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is a fundamental function of Accounting Officers who come before us to co-operate and report to the Committee of Public Accounts. They do not come here to dodge bullets; they come here to answer the questions.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: They will say we did not ask the right questions but we expect them to be a bit more open. We expect them to assist us. The point is well made and we will come back to it. That is the OPW situation. The next item is No. 625B, correspondence received on 30 June 2017 from An Garda Síochána. The document provides an analysis of expenditure relating to the Garda College division...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes. It is an extensive document. They explain all the different subsidiaries. When the representatives from the college appeared before us, we asked the president about the acronym SNO and whether it is the name of a company. He could not provide full information on the day. It is called SEFtec NMCI Offshore Limited. That is where he got SNO Limited. He has given us exact details of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: Come in now.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: Has the Deputy had an opportunity to-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will be in private session to sign off on the education report in the afternoon and we might discuss that when we come to it by which time the Deputy might have had an opportunity-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: They seem to have dealt with some of these issues.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is the final appendix. There are 17 pages in that. In fact, both UCC and CIT provided the same report. I see a reference to the internal audit committee in the reply from UCC also. During the course of the next couple of hours, we might have an opportunity to review that in private session at least. They appear to have provided good information. That is UCC, CIT and some information...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: No.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: My understanding is that this is unsolicited information that Mr. Barrett, having watched the proceedings, has sent directly to us. We did not ask him for it but he supplied it of his own volition.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: Correct.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes. We will have no more public meetings so we have to conclude. If there are issues on which we cannot conclude then we will just have to state that and consider them for further examination in part two of our report, which will be carried out after the summer recess. Finally, we come to No. 663(i). This is from Mr. John Nugent, chief administrative officer, and concerns various...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: There is.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: The letter we received today is short and contains three or four specific items. There is only a paragraph on each item so the information is easily absorbed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: More information arrived this morning. We are down to a shortlist but we will specifically deal with the information requested. If this committee did not receive the full level of co-operation expected then that in itself will be an issue in our final report. I am putting that on the record here now. To corroborate what Deputy Cullinane just said, this letter from Mr. Culhane would never...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: This would not have happened of its own accord. It happened because it was brought up here.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Jul 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will not be including it.

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