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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Okay. When Ms Bradley made the change or proposed the change, she obviously realised that would have an impact on cost for travel and subsistence.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: The difference was, and as a HR director she would know this, that travel and subsistence is paid from one’s place of employment.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Mr. O’Donnell could have worked in Timbuktu or Reykjavík or anywhere. The point is that changing the place of employment of the contract is a very specific thing.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: What made Ms Bradley consider that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: That leads to a follow-on question of whether anybody else's base was changed?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Of course. Was anybody else's base changed as part of this policy at a senior level? For example, was Ms Bradley's place of work changed?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Was Ms Campion's-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: It could be done for logical organisational reasons. It comes to the core of an additional cost being levied on the organisation. Mr. O'Donnell was travelling. He was being reimbursed for the travel he did and did not gain any money from that. You can make a few bob on subsistence but by and large-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: -----you would want to be working very hard. My point is Mr. O'Donnell did the work and was reimbursed from a tax perspective, but the issue is that the company paid more money when it already had a contractual arrangement with Mr. O'Donnell to not incur that cost.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: The point Ms Bradley is making is that it was an honest error. The next issue is the deciding of the change of contracts with the CEO. It is an unusual position because the CEO has no line boss at an administrative level within the company. Is it normal to directly go to the chair on different issues?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Normally, the reporting relationship is between the CEO and the board.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: There was a level of informality in board governance in that if it had been communicated by Mr. O'Donnell to the chair, it would probably normally have gone through a board meeting or been entered into a board pack and so on, but there was that informal connection between Ms Bradley and the chair. Again, that points to an informality of governance that might have happened for very...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Of course. Mr. Maher is saying the senior counsel report gave the basis for the removal of the board.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Documents were being sought, but where is the McCann FitzGerald report at this point?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: It was commissioned by the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: If Mr. Maher is not a position to respond on behalf of the Department today, could he seek a written reply to that question from the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: It was a simple question. Can we get a written update as to where things are in the process?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: The committee is asking where we are in the investigation. It is a legitimate question. We could be at the very beginning or at the end-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: Inland Fisheries Ireland (6 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: I am not asking Mr. Maher for that. I am asking him to get an update from the Department on it.

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