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Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: I understand the voluntary nature of the organisation. It is a bit like the Red Cross, the Order of Malta or whatever. However, it is incorporated into the Defence Forces. It would not be a good idea to move away from the voluntary ethos. I understand that but I am talking about a small allowance to cover out-of-pocket expenses or cases where members have to drop everything to assist in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: Does the office in Roscrea co-ordinate the organisation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: The one for the Covid pandemic was very good.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: Civil Defence personnel transported samples to and from universities and across the country for the HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: I acknowledge the provision of equipment. A lot of new vehicles and so on have been brought in recently. That is to be welcomed. Before we finish up, I will ask about legal settlements. In 2022, €6.2 million was expended on compensation and legal costs. Of this, 64% related to employee injury claims, 28% to employee claims for breaches of HR or employment policies, 4% to personal...

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: There are 88 open cases so roughly two thirds have been resolved. Is that particular drug, Lariam, still being used?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: It has been discontinued.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: Do I take it that the Defence Forces and the Department, as the policymaker, have accepted that it was not acceptable or fit for purpose?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: Will Ms McCrum clarify that? I know it was prescribed until a couple of years ago. Cases relating to former members were starting to come up. When I checked at that time, it was still being used. The risk associated was one of the points being made at that time. Perhaps Ms McCrum will come back to the committee on that point.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: That concludes questioning by committee members. I thank the Department of Defence, the witnesses, the staff and the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery, and Reform, for their work in preparing for today's meeting. I also thank the office of the Comptroller and Auditor General and his staff for attending and assisting the committee and for their preparation...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: The business this afternoon is as follows: minutes, accounts, financial statement, correspondence, work programme and any other business. The first item is the minutes of the meeting of 16 May which have been circulated. Do any members wish to raise any matters relating to the minutes? No. Are the minutes agreed? Agreed. As usual, they will be published on the committee's webpage. ...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: Does any member wish to comment on or ask questions about the accounts and financial statements? No. Can we agree to note the listing of accounts and financial statements? Agreed. As usual, they will be published as part of our minutes. Moving to correspondence, as previously agreed, items that were not flagged for discussion for this meeting will be dealt with in accordance with the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: I ask the Deputy to hold on as we will come to it when we discuss the work programme. We have the HRI listed to appear before the committee. We will note and publish the correspondence. No. R2599, from Ms Helen Brophy, general director, Institute of Public Administration, IPA, and dated 10 May 2024, provides to the committee an explanatory note under Circular 24/2021 on the timely...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: That is not to say that those that are not safe, from which people are genuinely fleeing persecution, famine or war - we have to accept they come from an unsafe situation and they need to be looked after accordingly but I would question that. I propose that we ask if it looks at countries on a regionalised basis. Countries that are very vast may have an unsafe area but up to 70% or 80% of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy is happy enough that will cover it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: We should.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: It is agreed that we will put that on the agenda. On 27 June, we will engage with the Road Safety Authority in relation to the 2022 financial statements and the following areas of interest: road safety statistics and performance metrics; outcomes from the expenditure in the accounts; vehicle testing; driver testing; issuing of driving licences; and GDPR issues that arise in the context of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: Staffing is the issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: I will also ask about the incentives. There was always an allowance for members of the Reserve. What is the allowance for an ordinary regular member now? What is the financial incentive? They take time out from holidays, other employment or family duties.

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