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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: -----but coincidences happen. On page 5 of the document pack supplied today it is clear that the €75,000 of guaranteed commercial income was baked in from the very start, was it not?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: So Mr. Kelly is saying to me that they came up with this completely on their side only-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: -----and that Mr. Kelly never solicited anything of the sort.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: Pre-2020 was Mr. Tubridy doing gigs for Renault at that stage?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: Nothing ever before?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: So there was nothing as part of his contract for RTÉ or anything like that?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: On the VAT rate Mr. Kelly received for the services, was this a 0% VAT rate or was it 23%? The 0% could be applicable to the UK whereas the 23% would be the rate if it was paid by RTÉ.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: So was it 0% or 23%?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: When Ms Geraldine O'Leary was before us two weeks ago she told the committee: In year two, I had no involvement. There was no payment. In year three, I was advised by the director general that there was pressure to pay. There were outstanding amounts. I did not understand at the time that they were underwritten by RTÉ. I was asked to liaise with Noel Kelly Management, NKM, to...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: What we are being told here is that there were communications between Noel Kelly and RTÉ about chasing up the €150,000. Mr. Kelly must have obviously known it was coming from RTÉ at that stage.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: Does Mr. Kelly not think that is funny, and why would he go to RTÉ when Renault were the people who were supposed to be paying?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: Did Mr. Kelly ever have any contact with anyone in Renault about the deal?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: Did anyone in Renault tell Mr. Kelly that they would no longer be paying the money?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: Nobody at all from Renault informed Mr. Kelly of that?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: Or Mr. Tubridy? No one. When are these six more Renault event gigs going to happen?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: They will be interesting events. I would say there will be a big turnout.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: Will Mr. Kelly or Mr. Tubridy provide copies of correspondence in that period January to March 2022? This was correspondence they had on chasing up those invoices. It is referred to in section 2.17 of the Grant Thornton review. The correspondence referred to their records. Will the witnesses provide the committee with those details?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: If RTÉ never knew or had not dealt with CMS previously, how did they know to instruct Mr. Kelly to send invoices though it at that stage?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: Is it not strange, given everything else previously would have been through NK, and the next thing they went with CMS?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Brendan Griffin: Did Mr. Kelly ask them?

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