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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: That is the one I am on about. It is kind of a critical one.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: Okay. It is like saying that you provided a car but you forgot the engine. It is a pretty critical component. If a freedom of information officer did this in a state organisation, it would be a big issue. This is not good enough because it is a critical component in the evidence. We are trying to build on evidence we have seen across multiple committees. I am looking at the Joint...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: Whoever circulated it, the email from 25 April that is now coming in here is out there and it was not in here. I need to move on because I am on a clock.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: Well, I do not know how it is possible. I usually look for a whole pile of information so I will list off a whole pile of things I want and then I have a few questions. The witnesses can take these down. First, based on today, and I only decided this a few minutes ago, for the next committee meeting - we do not know when that will be - I want Mr. Bakhurst to write out a chronology of...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Bakhurst as DG.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Bakhurst as representative of the organisation.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: That is the first thing. Second, I want to Mr. Bakhurst to go back through the Friday and Saturday night shows back to when Gay Byrne was in place. Were there any other deals on Friday or Saturday night flagship shows with anyone else ever?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: In other words, anything that would in any way resemble this deal, or would be in any way equivalent to it, where side deals were done with advertisers who were sponsoring a show.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: Yes, along with details of whether RTÉ management agreed that they would be allowed to happen. Third, 13 people have pension top-ups. We want to know who they are. We want it broken down by executive versus presenters, etc. We do not have that information. Fourth, with regard to the barter account and credit cards, we want to know who had credit cards and who was making payments...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: So it was not advertised. There seems to be a tradition of this with a lot of senior positions. In the case of every person who has been appointed as a senior manager or to an executive role, going back to 2000, was the appointment advertised or not? If it was not advertised, who made the appointment? I want a full chronology on that. Many of use have received correspondence on Breda...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: When it was agreed-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: That is fine. I accept Mr. Collins's evidence. No problem. Mr. Lynch was on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: So Mr. Lynch agreed it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: Then there is an awful big problem because according to the actual scheme, which I have read, on page 6 it provides that all members of the executive team have to sign off on it and Mr. Lynch was on the executive team.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: So how did Mr. Lynch not sign off on it?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: I put it to Mr. Bakhurst that this needs to be investigated. I am running out of time.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: I know. Okay. Remember, I want one of my minutes back because I got a minute taken earlier.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: I want Mr. Bakhurst to investigate that. I also want him to go back and see if anyone else who finished up in RTÉ got a similar package where the post was not suppressed. Remember, it is part of the voluntary redundancy scheme as read that the post has to be suppressed. In the case of Ms O’Keeffe it was not suppressed. Therefore, other people left with significant packages....

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Alan Kelly: Okay. Five seconds.

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