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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Are those lands owned and vacant? Are they greenfield sites?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I will get to that in a second. Are the other sites just greenfield sites?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: What are the plans for them? Will the Courts Service sell them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: The Courts Service needs them for parking or-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: The Hammond Lane site was for the new family law and children's court.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: It was bought 20 years ago for £4 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: The Minister-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: She can confer with anyone. In 2015, the then Minister announced that the complex would be built as part of a PPP and completed by 2020 for €40 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I will hazard a guess and say that will not happen.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Why is that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: It was before Ms Denning's time, but who kept moving the goalposts? According to the then Minister in 2015, the price was going to be €40 million. Did the board move the goalposts or did the Government decide that it needed more or less out of the site? I am interested in knowing whether additional demands were made of the Courts Service to do a bigger, better and wider job. How...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: People would be interested in knowing who it was who thought that it would cost €40 million. Was it the OPW?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: We would be interested in knowing-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: -----whether it was down to a mistake at official level in the OPW or wherever. Without surveyors, one cannot put a price on what will happen.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: I understand that, but the figure was €40 million and is now approximately €140 million. That is the problem. Does any of the other witnesses wish to speak? Any of them can contribute.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: In 2015, the Minister spoke about €40 million. That was only four years ago. Somewhere in the space of 12 months, the price increased by €100 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: That is what is important. The Courts Service depends on the OPW to do everything for it. Was it the OPW that originally said €40 million?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Exactly. If there is an incompetence somewhere, we need to identify it and try to rule it out so that it does not happen to the Courts Service again.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: Ms Denning would not call it that, but I would. The vacant site levy to be applied by Dublin City Council to Hammond Lane would be €700,000.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Marc MacSharry: So I believe. Will Ms Denning tell us a bit about the arrangement?

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