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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: My final question is to Mr. Kelly and Mr. Barrett. Does Mr. Kelly believe that the letter in which Mr. Culhane said that his report was unprofessional, misleading and mischievous, and, further, asked him to amend his report, was a direct interference in his work and an attempt to get him to either water down or lessen the content of his report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Did Mr. Barrett have a similar experience?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Now that Mr. Barrett has seen it, would he have seen it as an attempt to undermine his work?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Does Mr. Culhane not consider it a serious matter that the head of internal audit and the head of human resources take the same view as me that he was seeking to undermine their work? We talked earlier about the circling of the wagons and, as mentioned by Mr. Culhane, the need to keep matters in-house. Does Mr. Culhane not see that he is part of the problem and that in terms of what he put...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Mr. Culhane attempted to have Mr. Kelly alter his report. He threatened him with legal action. He said that if Mr. Kelly did not amend his report he would seek legal advice and would take legal action yet he is now telling me that he did not try to interfere with the work of internal audit. It is incredible for him to say that. How can he threaten legal action against the head of internal...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: It should be noted at this point that Mr. Barrett, Mr. Kelly and Mr. Ruane have all said here today that they felt their professionalism was called into question by Mr. Culhane - all three.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I am saying that should be noted.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I am saying that, as a fact, that is what they have said and that should be noted.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I need to make this point.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: None of this is personal. I resent it being said. None of this is personal, it is in respect of the office that Mr. Culhane holds that questions are being put. Of course, one has to put questions to individuals, it does not make it personal. None of it is personal.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Mr. Barrett has said he has information that it is true.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: With respect, the Chairman is not being fair because Mr. Culhane has not told us who said it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Regardless of the line of questioning, Mr. Culhane has not been able to give us an answer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Can Mr. Howard confirm if the-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Can Mr. Howard confirm he said he wrote to the Commissioner to express concern about correspondence-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: ----from Mr. Culhane? Does that include correspondence that relates both to Mr. Kelly and Mr. Barrett or to Mr. Kelly only?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Was Mr. Howard aware of the letters concerning Mr. Barrett?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I wish to mention two themes. I ask the Chairman to remind me when five minutes have elapsed so that I do not lose the opportunity to mention a second matter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I shall start with Mr. Barrett. He has presented to this committee a lot of notes, memos and records of his version of meetings that took place. Is that something that he always did, professionally?

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