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Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: At the meeting in question I stated: ....women were not being informed through their clinicians until the Vicky Phelan case became public knowledge. Is that what I am being told by everyone in this room? If that is not the case, then somebody please tell me that is not true. The witness replied: "I think that is [probably] a fair statement."

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: When did the Vicky Phelan case become public knowledge?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Has he met Mr. Gleeson?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Has he requested to meet Mr. Gleeson?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: I have a couple of brief questions on the labs. I do not know whether it is still the case that all the cases which are before the courts, or are potentially coming before the courts, relate to the American laboratories.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: So it is just those two laboratories and there are no Irish-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Okay. The reports coming from the laboratories that enable people to see whether there are discrepancies between the various laboratories have been requested previously. Having checked with Deputy O'Connell, I believe the health committee requested that information a number of weeks ago. It was subsequently requested by this committee. Are we any closer to getting that information?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Dr. Scally will want that information as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: I understand that when a laboratory has been accredited, Cervical Check conducts quality assurance visits each year. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: I ask Mr. Gleeson to clarify something he said in response to a question posed by Deputy Burke at the meeting of this committee on 17 May last. When Deputy Burke said, "Just to clarify, we are exclusively relying upon these laboratories. At that time, we did not do any independent checking. Once the laboratories were accredited and quality assured, that was it from the HSE's point of view....

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: So it was true to say "We do quality assurance visits."

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Mr. Gleeson also said at the 17 May meeting that CervicalCheck gets "annual reporting rates" from the laboratories and they are "discussed at committee meetings". Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Mr. Gleeson would have had sight of those documents. They would have been discussed at committee meetings. From his reading of them, did he see any variation between any of the laboratories? The only information we have is from 2014 to 2015. I presume Mr. Gleeson has seen information for all of the years.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: So the variation would be within acceptable limits.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Okay. That is fair enough. My next question relates to the information that Mr. McCallion's colleague was asked to get. I do not know his name but I note that he has returned to the room. I wonder whether he has an update.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Okay. I appreciate that.

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