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Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Excuse me now-----

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Do I have the floor?

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Do I have the floor?

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: This is my very first time to ask the question, and I absolutely abhor Senator Bacik jumping up and down every time-----

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I am sticking to the question. Will the Minister correct the record? He stated the opposite to what the definition states. The Minister is completely wrong, based on the definition in the Bill, to state that partial birth abortions are not permitted by the Bill. He called it infanticide under the law. It is not infanticide according to the Bill. I would call it infanticide, but the Bill...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: On a point of order-----

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I take exception to calling the debate in this House filibustering. Views are sincerely held and very well meant.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: It should not be called filibustering.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Against the barbaric approach in the proposal here.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: If foetal pain is not important, what is important?

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Let us not demean them, please.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I listened to what the Minister said and I have to say-----

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I am only speaking on amendment No. 38(d), my amendment on delivering a pain-free ending to the baby. That is the only one I am speaking on. I am happier with what the Minister said in his reply. I will read the regulations over the weekend. None of my Fine Gael colleagues would want an unborn baby to feel pain as life is ended. No colleague would. I am giving the Minister and his...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: It is so ridiculous, I could not believe it myself. I doubt she was misleading me, however. She told me her most common procedure as a gynaecologist was TOP, termination of pregnancy. Just because an anaesthetist is in the hospital, it does not mean he or she is present at the termination. Let us call a spade a spade and proceed in a humane, sensitive way to ensure that the little unborn...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I will wait for the Minister's response but will put this point to it. I will not put the amendment to a vote at this time if I get an assurance from the Minister, but will resubmit it on Report Stage when the Minister might return with answers to the questions we asked around pain and evidence of pain felt by the foetus. I have put quite a bit of evidence on the record. Would an...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I will not withdraw it but will wait for the Minister's reply.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: In his response to me and to others, the Minister said he did not wish to be prescriptive and does not want to tell doctors what to do. I can accept that. What will the doctors do? That is what I want to know. What will they do in the course of a termination-abortion? Will an anaesthetist be present to ensure the baby is given an anaesthetic so that when its life is ended it is ended...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I want an answer to the questions I put to the Minister on the issue of pain. We are all human beings in this House. We understand pain. I have put the evidence on the record. There is evidence that the foetus feels pain from 17 weeks onwards. It is unbelievable that they do not feel pain before that, but that is the science I am bringing to the Minister. I ask the Minister to answer...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: They cannot provide an anaesthetist unless it is provided for by the State.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (18 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: This is the first time.

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