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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: I hope to see Mr. Cody in Croke Park in September.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: From Revenue's perspective, what is the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Is tax evasion a crime?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Is it a crime?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: I know Revenue cannot impose them. From Revenue's perspective, is tax evasion a crime?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Is tax avoidance a crime?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: If tax evasion is a crime, is it a victimless crime?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: There is always a context.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: If we have tax evasion-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: -----where people are evading paying tax-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: -----there is a consequence. We all know that there are pressures on the public purse in terms of housing, child care, health and all of those areas.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: The more money that people evade paying tax on then the less money we have to spend on public services and other public spending.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: It means there are consequences. I want to ask about the tax planning strategy for hospital consultants that was referred to by the Comptroller and Auditor General. I know questions were put in that respect earlier but I was not here for the first 20 minutes. I apologise now if I ask some of the same questions. When did Revenue become aware of the tax planning strategy?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: How did Revenue become aware of it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: When Revenue worked out from that one individual, from then doing an examination, Revenue found that the practice was more widespread.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Was there evidence that the strategy was promoted?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Was the scheme advertised? Is there evidence it was advertised? Was it discreetly promoted?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: I refer Mr. Cody to figure No. 13.2 of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report, which simplifies the matter for us. Sometimes tax affairs can be made very complicated by people who want us to understand that it is all very complicated when, very often, it is very simple. One can see that it is the same type of consultant on the same salary. The calculation shows how much tax he or she...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account
Chapter 13 - Revenue's Review of Medical Consultants' Tax Affairs
Chapter 14 - Research and Development Tax Credit
Chapter 16 - Deferral of Tobacco Stamp Liability
(1 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Obviously the consultant pays income tax on the hospital contract, which is a public contract. He or she pays 52% tax on the private income, which is €52,000. Let us look at the figure for incorporation. I presume a consultant will pay PAYE on the hospital contract. However, it is the private element of the income that is incorporated. Let us look at the example given. It shows...

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