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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The Chairman might clarify section 172.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Please do.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I thank Mr. McCarthy for the clarification and going through the matter. It is far more than a perception. I accept that this is not the fault of NAMA which was set up for a purpose by the legislation. One of the consequences is that the market has been officially kept too high in relation to property and rent. It was set up and legislation was introduced, and through the work of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: It was non-statutory, with no means of implementing it, as has been highlighted. As a result of the work of the Comptroller and Auditor General's office and the committee, the integrity of the sales process will be looked at to ensure that both parties are the same at the beginning and at the end. I will not go into that now. Self-analysis is lacking. This is an institution with no...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Even leaving that point aside for a moment, where is the mechanism within that institution to implement this legislation? Where is the mechanism for reflection as problems arise, so that gaps can be identified and closed where change is needed?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Or even a process for the body implementing the legislation to look at it and say, for example, that section 172 has been discovered to be extremely important, but the process is minimalist at best and cannot be acted on. Surely there has to be some way of feeding back.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The gap became obvious.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The Comptroller and Auditor General has just raised the issue of Project Eagle. The mechanism was not effective and there was a further onus on the body, because it was aware that the mechanism was defective. That is the point I started to make. I agree with what Deputy Catherine Murphy said: there is an onus on a body to bring it to somebody's attention when it sees that something is not...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I beg your pardon. We are told that NAMA is proceeding to take steps to seek confirmation. Has that been done or are the steps being taken now?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I welcome the clarification and the manner in which the matter is being dealt with. The final sentence on page 3 is significant. It states: "It is worth noting that the President has separately established an independent committee to provide oversight of the 1938 allowance". That is new.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I welcome that it is an independent committee. To whom will it report its oversight of the allowance?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: As a result, there is an additional layer of oversight. There is an independent committee with oversight of the allowance.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I understand that. Ostensibly, we have moved to having an independent committee with oversight of the allowance.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is what I am trying to tease out.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I welcome that. It is a positive step. I would like to know how we will become aware of the oversight of the independent committee in regard to any President's Establishment into the future.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I know that but going forward-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: In this case, the Minister "will consider whether it is possible to introduce legislation". Is that slightly different? This is stated just after recommendation A.21. Is it slightly different? Is the Minister considering previous money and just saying it is a matter of legislation? Is that a subtle difference?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: It states that he "will consider whether it is possible to introduce legislation".

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I am not delaying this; I am just asking the question.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Absolutely. We look for evaluation reports and we get predictable responses.

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