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Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: -----to fund it-----

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: -----that money will be provided. That means he is talking about the number of people Irish Water expects to register, as opposed to the number of households. The Minister, Deputy Kelly, said for an hour and a half that he was talking about the number of occupied households. The Minister and the Minister of State cannot agree on this.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: We have fantasy figures, fantasy economics-----

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: -----and we have a fantasy Bill. We should quit this here tonight. I am proposing again that we adjourn this debate until next Tuesday to allow the Minister and his departmental officials to come back here with proper figures.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: The whole thing is a bloody farce.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: We should call it off.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: The Government will be the laughing stock of Europe. It is not a conservation grant to give people €100 with no conservation. Where is the conservation in that? There is no conservation in it and the Minister of State, Deputy Coffey, knows that. He is coming in here with bluff and bluster. He is the laugh of Europe.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: It is a bribe.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: It is the Fine Gael way.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: The reason I raised this more than an hour ago was to try to get some clarity because of the discrepancy in the figures. Deputy Walsh who come in about an hour and a half ago to play full-back is wrong in what he said about Sinn Féin. Sinn Féin did not tell people not to register or to register. The difference between us is that we do not tell people what to do. We allow people...

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: I see Deputy Walsh has been joined from the bar on the back line.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: Irish Water sent out 2 million packs but the figures from the census states that there are 1.65 million occupied households. This is the key point. The legislation state that it shall only be paid to households where the occupier of a dwelling has registered and has provided the information to the Minister for Social Protection. We are clearly talking about occupied households and the...

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: We were here the other night until 1.30 a.m. The Government hoped this would be done out of the glare of the media, that the press gallery would be empty and that everybody would have gone home. Here it is tonight trying to get this through without the proper figures. I propose, if there is a seconder, that we adjourn the House.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: Sorry, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, that is a formal proposal.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: I have a seconder.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: He is making things worse.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: I did not raise this issue to put the cat among the pigeons but it has put the cat among the pigeons. I heard the Minister mention a figure of 1.3 million and it did not sit right with me and has led to a long debate. I am concerned about that because between the 1.65 million and the approximately 2 million are the holiday homes, the vacant houses and second homes. People who work in one...

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: -----although it could be €200 million or €250 million or €25 million or €30 million, but in the interests of accuracy we need to adjourn. The €130 million which the Minister says will be covered if everybody who is entitled to it applies is not correct. I believe it is more likely to be €150 million to €160 million. We cannot vote on a...

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: The number of households calculated by the Minister means there is a gap of 0.7 million, and many of those houses are rented. The tenants of those houses are the primary residents as defined by the Minister in the Bill.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Brian Stanley: The Minister indicated that the estimated cost of the grant scheme will be €130 million. However, if there is to be a payment of €100 per household, is the Minister basing his calculation on the assumption that 1.3 million households will claim it? People in rural areas can apply. Persons who do not have a connection to the public water supply can avail of this grant. My...

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