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Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I thank the witnesses for attending and for their opening statements. I know Mr. Tubridy is fond of a small quirky fact that tells a story. I am sure he knows as well that 79% of us listen to radio daily here in Ireland, despite everything else that is open to us, from Spotify to podcasts. Like most people, we are big radio listeners in our house and Mr. Tubridy was in our kitchen five...

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Were people paid to offer crisis communications advice, either internal or external?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: We will take that as "Yes." I hope the answer to my next question is "No," but was Mr. Tubridy advised by those people to delay the documentation until 8.30 a.m. this morning?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: It is a comprehensive set of documentation. It sheds a lot of light on a huge amount of things-----

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: -----but it was received at 8.30 a.m. The staff who support this committee stayed up until very late last night got up very early this morning.

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Briefly, if he could.

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I fully accept and I do not want to interrupt, but I have one eye to the clock.

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I want to examine one thing in Mr. Tubridy's opening statement. He states clearly that he took a 20% pay cut. Is that inclusive or exclusive of the €75,000 he was receiving either from Renault, or from RTÉ through a barter account? When Mr. Tubridy says he took a 20% pay cut, is that inclusive or exclusive of the €75,000.

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Is the 20% referred to the direct payment from RTÉ?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: It is exclusive of the Renault contract or the payment through RTÉ by the barter account.

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I have to contest that we regard this as separate. The email over and back that we see in the contract negotiations are shocking to all of the members for a number of reasons. The first is the number of people who are included, and Mr. Kelly has drawn attention to that.

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: It also points clearly to the fact that it is not separate. It is part of the RTÉ contract.

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: If it were entirely separate, why would RTÉ be involved in it?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I asked the question of Mr. Tubridy and it was in his opening statement. That is exclusive of the €75,000. Would he accept it is difficult for us to reconcile the idea that this was an entirely separate arrangement, when it formed part of the contract negotiations?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Okay. I want to move on to Mr. Kelly's part in this. I think it is important to put to bed any idea that Mr. Tubridy made any decision about "The Late Late Show" on foot of this.

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: We know the two problematic invoices were presented to Dee Forbes on 8 March. Whenever Mr. Tubridy took his decision he announced it on 16 March. Would Mr. Kelly have Dee Forbes's telephone number in his phone?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: No.

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I am sorry - we are so time-compressed here.

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