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Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: That depends on how one defines "the right answer".

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: Why has it not been recommended?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: Many people do not consume flour in their diet.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: Is it not true that the vast majority of people eat bread?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: That is the difficulty in respect of many issues in Ireland.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: I get accused of being a "nanny state" every day of the week. In fact, I got an award recently for being nanny of the year. Maybe I am trying to control everybody or something. It just seems to make total sense to me to have folic acid available in the food that we consume.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: We just need to get it back on the rails and make it happen.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: I refer to two other brief items. This follows on from a point Deputy Murphy made about the availability of consultants. It is a question that applies in general but particularly to obstetrics, if I understand the witness correctly?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: Why does Dr. McKenna think that is the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: Have we made it too unattractive? There is a lot of talk about how well paid lawyers, doctors and all these professions are. I have a lot of friends who are medics and many of them have spent years abroad and came back reluctantly for family reasons. Australia is very attractive because of the work conditions. They are very satisfactory for family life, etc. With the new contracts and so...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: It is not only finance, but conditions as well.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: It is hard to know what we can do about it, practically.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: I will come to Mr. Woods in a second. In a previous life, that is becoming more previous as the days go by, I did a lot of medical defence litigation. In fact, the witness's name, when he was master, would have been mentioned when I worked in Hayes solicitors. Not that Dr. McKenna-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: I understand where Dr. McKenna is coming from on that point because it is extremely stressful for consultants. It is an extremely maligned profession in many ways and deservedly in many instances over the years where we had consultants who felt like they were king of the castle and all the rest. However, the vast majority of consultants, and doctors generally, are extremely hardworking and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: That is fair. Mr. Woods wanted to come in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: Of obstetrical consultants.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: By how many?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: By 100. How are we going to do that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: That is another very complex issue. On the issue of contraception and education in schools. Is it feasible for us to have free contraception in the near future under the current budgetary constraints?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Ancillary Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly Report: Department of Health and the HSE (30 Nov 2017)

Catherine Noone: It is doable. Deputy O'Connell raised a point earlier about the licensing issue. This the last of my questions. My understanding is that there is no real issue when it comes to licensing because even a drug like Armour Thyroid - I do not know if the witnesses are familiar with it - is not available on license but it is freely available once it is prescribed. Certain doctors would know...

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