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Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is complicated but the TII can send the committee a note to explain. I know that every project is different, but can the witnesses give the committee a round figure for the average cost of a kilometre of motorway? There might be X number of bridges and interchanges, but can the witnesses give an idea of the cost involved?

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does that vary significantly depending on whether it is a public private partnership scheme?

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: In that case, how does one benchmark if a public private partnership is value for money or one should go that route if all these extra costs are worked into a scheme which is done directly, but not for public private partnership scheme? There must be a formula to exclude this.

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Are there many projects where the non-construction costs would exceed the construction costs?

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Maybe in part of the M50 it might be more.

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Was the expensive land acquisition of such projects the only area where non-construction costs exceeded construction costs?

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: On public private partnerships, the TII has had its reviews. It is an issue to which we will return as it is in the Comptroller and Auditor General's report. It is very well for TII to say it had value for money, but the committee cannot endorse that view if we do not have the information from which it derived that conclusion. That is only an assertion from my perspective as Chairman of...

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Thirty years.

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: From what Mr. Nolan is saying, the national Parliament will not get access to this information until 2050, that is, we will not have sight of the information on matters which Mr. Nolan says are commercially sensitive until the contract expires in 30 years time. Mr. Nolan must accept from the point of view of the Committee of Public Accounts that we do not accept that this is how it should...

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is correct that he has signed the accounts, but the question is on the value for money. Will the Comptroller and Auditor General comment on this?

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: This is an issue. There is a chapter in the Comptroller and Auditor General's report specifically on this matter. It does not relate to roads public private partnerships alone, but also other public private partnerships such as schools. We will return to this topic. On service stations -----

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will put it on our work programme.

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will try conclude because I know some Deputies wish to come back a second time. The point is that this committee is not in a position to conclude on this matter because we do not have the information. I find it intriguing that the TII appears to invest taxpayers' money in some service stations on some motorways. There are other motorways where service stations of no significant...

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is Government policy, not TII's policy.

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is that Kilcullen?

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: TII gets something out of it.

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I note there is a very big increase in the 2016 accounts in the payment for the PPP for maintenance of the motorway and protecting the infrastructure over the previous year. Maybe it was because the M17 or M18 was coming on track. Mr. Nolan said funding from the Exchequer is very tight and TII does not have enough money to maintain the motorways at the level it would like to; that it could...

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Nolan said TII has only half the funding to do this.

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Right. I know Deputy Catherine Murphy will be very interested in this question. This morning, at 6.28 a.m., while coming from Portlaoise I came to a full stop on the junction after the M7 and M9 met between there and junction 10, south Naas. I see the Department has signed a contract for the Naas to Newbridge upgrade. When will the contractor be on site? It goes without saying that there...

Public Accounts Committee: Transport Infrastructure Ireland: Financial Statements 2016 (12 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: There is also the Osberstown interchange.

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