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Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy has two minutes remaining.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: One minute, Deputy, because we-----

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy is out of time.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Did Mr. McEnery want to add something to that?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: May I be very clear on one question to Mr. McEnery, following on directly from that? He has indicated that as chairman of the board this issue - his appearance here today and the issues surrounding it - will be discussed at the board.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Can we take it that Mr. McEnery will recuse himself from that meeting or that section of the meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I think according to HIQA's rules of governance that the vice chair will chair such a meeting and that Mr. McEnery personally will not chair the meeting discussing this.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McEnery gets the point I am making.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: This is important if there will be a discussion of his situation. I am just being pragmatic about HIQA's own rules of governance, specifically that where there is a potential conflict of interest-----

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: -----the vice chair is asked to chair the meeting or whatever. Is that the procedure it will follow?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The next speaker is Deputy Catherine Connolly, who has ten minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will stop Mr. McEnery there because as Chairman I have ruled that there will be no reference to the document produced by the adviser because of legal privileges on it.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Please proceed without reference to the document or the name of the legal adviser.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Would Mr. McEnery have a role in that matter?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: But does Mr. McEnery have an issue with it?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We still have two speakers to get in here and the Voting plan is coming up shortly.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Deputies Murphy and Farrell have indicated. We have to be gone by 1 o'clock so they probably will not both be called before then.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is fine but I ask Mr. McEnery to be brief, because it is a topic we intend to deal with again. It is on our work programme.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are coming back to that in our work programme. Perhaps we can move on, Deputy, because we intend to dedicate far more time to that topic. I will give one minute each to Deputies MacSharry and McDonald.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Be careful.

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