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Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McEnery outlined the questions and his answers in his opening statement. When did he put this note together as part of his opening statement? When did he start putting this information together?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Within the past week.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The meeting was held in 2015, two years ago. Mr. McEnery has had no contact with this issue, no formal presentation, no notes, just a date in his diary. It is an outstanding summary of an event two years, if Mr. McEnery has not revisited the matter in two years.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: If the meeting was approximately three hours, for how long was Mr. McEnery there?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The majority.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McEnery missed the beginning and end.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I have to ask Mr. McEnery a straight question in the understanding he had no fee or anything. Did he meet any growing clients? He said in his opening statement he did not recognise some of the people there. I take that to mean he did recognise some of them.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: As clients?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Did he get any new clients as a result of it?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is a general question.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McEnery’s opening statement is an extraordinarily tight and well-scripted one. If he is able to do that after two years with no notes from the meeting, he has an extraordinary memory.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Did Mr. McEnery use those notes-----

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: -----as an aide-mémoire?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McEnery has made that point that two or three times now. To complete this particular circle, with whom is he taking it up?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: With Nursing Homes Ireland, would Mr. McEnery have to-----

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: So Mr. McEnery is taking legal advice.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: May I just ask a final question? Mr. McEnery is chairman of HIQA, which is involved in this sector. The National Treatment Purchase Fund is involved financially in the sector. Would it be feasible for Mr. McEnery, or anybody from his firm, to be a member of the board of the National Treatment Purchase Fund?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I was about to ask Mr. McEnery to send me a copy of his presentation but he tells me he does not have one.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy Cullinane. We are down to ten-minute slots each now.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Through the Chair

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