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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, I accept that and I have read Mr. Fraser's report just in case he thinks-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Would analysis normally be done when something like that is being set up if the initiative came from the administrative side or the Civil Service side?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: So the benefit would not be robustly teased out.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: I will move to another aspect of the accounts. Following this, Mr. Fraser says that some of that work will continue to go on across the Civil Service on the rationalisation of the very considerable spend and the 452 websites. One would have to spend the whole day trying to find the 452 websites and it may not be a good means of communicating, in such a fragmented way. What are the plans on...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: On that one, how would Mr. Fraser rationalise that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: What work has been done on that at this stage, has it been scoped out or-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: If the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform is working on that already, that is obviously a different Department and they are driving that, so that was happening anyway, is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: It did not require the strategic communications unit, that is happening anyway.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The work will still go on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: In what other rationalisation functions is the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform involved?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The Department is driving public sector reform.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Saving money would also be one of its functions. What else?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: In terms of this aspect, there is a Department that has a specific role across the public service and the Civil Service. Does the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform have a function in considering communications, other than rationalisation or the development of the port?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Does the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform have rationalisation and reform functions in the public service, but are they mostly in the Civil Service? Does it work more on the administrative side in the work it does. I mean the administrative side as opposed to the political side. Is it fair to say the Department of the Taoiseach has a different focus?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Where are they located?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. Fraser gave us a number of staff. The number has increased in recent years.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Are there over 20 involved?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Yes. I have a few questions about the commissions of investigation. On page 15 of the 2016 appropriation accounts tribunal of inquiry payments are listed. In one column is the year of appointment of the Moriarty tribunal which is given as 1997. The payments made in 2016 were related to Messrs Haughey and Lowry. Obviously, they followed a court decision on the awarding of their costs....

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Catherine Murphy: No. I meant to say they were related to them.

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