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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Mr. Kelly's statement is that he had no idea what Astus was, no reason to believe Astus was linked to RTÉ and no reason to believe Astus was making the payment on behalf of RTÉ. That is how he put it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Is it credible for Mr. Kelly to say he did not know RTÉ was paying those two invoices?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: I am asking Mr. Lynch. Mr. Kelly came to RTÉ looking for a payment. Does Mr. Lynch think there was an honest belief by Mr. Kelly that it was Renault making those payments?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: To whom does Mr. Tubridy owe the six events?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: There seems to have been a misunderstanding by Mr. Kelly on the day of the difference between what "underwritten" meant and what "guaranteed payments" meant. He seemed to argue it meant RTÉ would continue to facilitate it with another sponsor. For RTÉ to pay the fee, RTÉ must have taken the legitimate interpretation that it was responsible for paying it in the absence of...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Mr. Kelly knew the sponsor was unavailable at that point.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: If the sponsor was unavailable, the only one paying here was RTÉ.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: I have a final question. Mr. Kelly said in regard to the other Astus charge against a lunch to which his name is attached and he may not have been involved in, that the charity in the case may have been instructed by RTÉ to charge Astus. Will the witnesses check whether there is any documentation within RTÉ that relates to that lunch in aid of Chernobyl and how it should be...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: She cannot come back. She has never been here before.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: We have asked a lot of questions about the past. I want to ask Mr. Bakhurst about the future. Does he intend to bring Mr. Tubridy back to RTÉ? Has he or anyone else in RTÉ contacted Mr. Tubridy since Tuesday?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: As I just walk in the door, I asked Shane what should I say. I join with everybody else. As Deputy Murphy and others said, sometimes it was the stuff outside of the pack that one would receive. It was the check-ins to make sure that one had a good grasp of whatever it was. Shane was also led by what we brought forward. That was important that he took his lead from the interests of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Did the HSE provide Mr. McCarthy with a title or description of that post?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: What was that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Was it a consultant? Was it an accountant?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Deputy Verona Murphy has touched on a broader point around how we price, plan and fund infrastructure projects. Perhaps that is a different piece of work that the Committee of Public Accounts could look at. It does not come from any one set of accounts that comes to us from Mr. McCarthy, but we are starting to see a pattern across a number of different Departments, specifically the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: The Deputy is right.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Perhaps it is better discussed in private session, but I do think Ms O'Keeffe, for example, was a witness who was asked to come before this committee, and she did not come before it on any occasion, although she was invited once. We need to consider that as a committee, but perhaps it is something we can do along with our work plan on this topic in private session. I think it is worth...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Could you clarify that for us again, a Chathaoirligh?

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