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Written Answers — Department of Education and Skills: Disadvantaged Status (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: 128. To ask the Minister for Education and Skills if she will provide an update on the DEIS programme including its expansion; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [23646/22]

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: I will first address Mr. McGarr. His company was a finalist in the category of personal injury-medical negligence law firm of the year and it specialises in medical negligence, personal injury, probate and employment law. Dr. Boylan and I share many objectives. He gave his very valuable time to the cross-party group that had concerns about this, of which I was a member. I thank him for...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: It is not clear to me.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: I did and I hope we have St. Vincent's here at some stage.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: No. That is on the record. Dr. Boylan has supplied that. I am asking a straight question: what vehicle are they going to use? How is it going to happen that someone decides that a woman cannot receive a termination in the new national maternity hospital if it is located at St. Vincent's? Who makes that decision? Who makes that call and who issues the instruction?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: The hospital has a constitution.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: No, but the hospital has a constitution. Does Dr. Boylan accept that the hospital's constitution insists that all clinically appropriate - and we will come to that - and legally permissible services must be provided?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: But does Dr. Boylan accept that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: But not Catholic doctrine and there is a significant difference.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: We know from yesterday that if it does not do this, the Minister can instruct it to do this. I know that one of the arguments is what would happen if there was a conservative Minister for Health. The fact of the matter is that the law of this land, thanks to people like Dr. Boylan, provides for the termination of pregnancy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: The national maternity hospital is subject to a constitution, subject to ministerial direction and subject to the law of the land, not the Vatican.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: I am going to move on. Dr. Boylan also said that the State should own the land on which the hospital is built. We accept that and agree with that. He said that if this is not possible, “any capital investment by the State should only be provided subject to prior agreement on the services that will be delivered.” We have secured that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: This point came up-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: In his opening remarks Dr. Boylan said that "NMH clinicians who say terminations take place at St. Vincent’s must confirm if those are under the terms of the 2018 Act". They have confirmed that. They went as far as they could yesterday without breaching privacy and confidentiality. Does Dr. Boylan accept that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: When was the conversation that Dr. Boylan had with the archbishop?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: So it was 30 years ago.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: I am aware of that actually. I would be aware of that and probably more aware of it than most. When was Dr. Boylan master?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

John Lahart: So that is 25 to 30 years ago.

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