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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I will have to find the information for Deputy Doherty. I do not have it here. The commission of investigation into NAMA has not been set up yet. It is one of a number of commissions of investigation.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: It is not.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: We will have to deal with this when the final terms of reference are approved by Government.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: It is a commission of investigation. It is not confirmed in the Estimates whether it will continue to be in Vote subhead A5, which concerns commissions of investigation and which is where one would expect it to be. I confirm this to the Deputy and the position regarding the estimate of €10 million to cover the investigation into NAMA.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I do not accept that. I have an agreement with the British Prime Minister that there would be no return to the borders of the past, that is, customs posts along the Border. I have seen the reports from customs consultants and those who work in customs in different locations around the world discussing how one might deal with the borders. We have an invisible Border, as the Deputy well...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: In answer to the Deputy's question, I did not know the Revenue Commissioners were looking at these places. As far as I am concerned, the political challenge is not to have that happen.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: This is a good idea, and I am certainly open to it. A number of matters about it would need to be considered. It was considered by the Law Reform Commission back in 2005 in its report on public inquiries, including tribunals of inquiry. The report pointed out a number of advantages of a permanent inquiries office such as that suggested by Deputy D'Arcy including that over time, its staff...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I would not object to that. Obviously, when people feel aggrieved about an issue, and there are mountains of correspondence about some of these issues dating back to 30 or 40 years ago, and if after a long protracted engagement either a commission of investigation or an inquiry is set up, it may lead to people saying: "If I am to follow this through to the end I need to follow a particular...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: There are 31 staff assigned to the division in the Department of the Taoiseach.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: There were movements. The European affairs division used to be in the Department of the Taoiseach. After we held the EU Presidency in 2013 some changes were made to move some of those personnel back to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, where there is an EU division again. It has recruited a small number of select staff from outside. There are 31 in the division now. Work on...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Enterprise Ireland has examined all of the companies that are exporting. Obviously, we have lost €500 million in value terms because of the change in sterling. There are a number of options. For example, the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine introduced a long-term, low interest loan for agri-business. The Government's preparation has been extensive. It includes...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: The original idea was to give an understanding of where the flag came from, what it stands for, the difference between the orange and the green and what the colours symbolise. Defence Forces personnel presented a proper flag to every school, all 3,500 of them. Many of the flags the Deputy mentioned are outside commercial premises and are left up day and night. There is obviously a protocol...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: The north inner city in Dublin is a very historic area with particular landmarks. It is fundamentally iconic and has an historic part to play in Dublin. Unfortunately, it has been a location of multiple murders by gangland crime. As a consequence, the drugs issue, the deprivation issue, the neglect issue, the mental health issue and the complex issue of proper educational facilities have...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: The original commission of investigation was to deal with two particular protected disclosures. There were some discussions yesterday as people had raised other particular cases. It has been agreed that a named number of those will be included in these terms of reference.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: Yes. An amendment was made this morning that provides that where the sole member feels that other relevant persons might be called in respect of evidence or comments they made about contact that might be germane to the terms of reference, they would be facilitated. In other words, if somebody was to stand up in the Dáil and say that he or she feels able to give evidence in the House...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: The Chairman knows the case. I had a very long and fruitful meeting with the O'Farrell family. I understand very well the exceptional family pressure to have the matter resolved. We have been in contact about the work that has been going on for quite some time in respect of the GSOC claim and assessment. It has not moved a lot from the time I met with the O'Farrell family. However, I...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: -----from this morning's announcement? Yes, it would be completely separate.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: In the O'Farrell case.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: I will have it looked at. The position of some retired members such as those who served in Jadotville was dealt with after so many years. There was great appreciation of and excitement among those members who were still around or their relations at what happened and the recognition given. Does the Chairman have any idea of the numbers involved?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 1 - President's Establishment (Revised)
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach (Revised)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General (Revised)
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office (Revised)
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (Revised)
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor (Revised)
(16 Feb 2017)

Enda Kenny: It was a very small number. Is the Chairman speaking about others who served abroad?

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