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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: Depending on the comprehensive response we will receive from you within a reasonable length of time from the date of this meeting, it may be necessary to ask you to come back to deal with this particular issue. Is that agreed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: Warts and all. Thank you, Mr. Pakey.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: I call Deputy O'Donnell.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: Does the list of questions which forms part of the Comptroller and Auditor General's investigation relate to the general disposal of property or is there specific mention of HL Commodity Foods Limited and the relevant transaction?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: Specifically?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: When are the results of the examination likely to be available to us?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: That will be a considerable time into the future.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: This matter has been raised at this meeting and in correspondence to the committee. I am of the view, therefore, that for the purposes of this meeting, Deputy Costello's question is valid. Before I ask the Comptroller and Auditor General to answer that question - if he can do so - will he indicate whether Munster Packaging Limited actually manufactures packaging?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: So none of our guests know whether it manufactures packaging?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: It does manufacture packaging. Before we get into the nitty-gritty of discussing this matter, will our guests indicate whether they believe that it is a strange policy for an agency to locate a company which manufactures packaging alongside one which deals with food? Would that not have been a consideration in the context of the sale? Would it not have given rise to concern on the part of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: It is not recent, it is actually quite-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: They were not answered in terms of satisfying either HL Commodity Foods Limited or me. We did not really receive a proper explanation as to how the manufacturing company was allowed to purchase the buildings occupied by HL Commodity Foods Limited. Our guests will have to provide a comprehensive explanation as to why - on a policy matter - the property was disposed of in the way it was....

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: Exactly what did they understand?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: It was sold at that point with the condition that the property would be used solely for the purpose of the purchaser's business.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: I presume it was to be used solely for the purpose of manufacturing packaging.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: Let us put a timeframe on this. We have been examining this matter and receiving correspondence in respect of it for a long period. The Department confirmed earlier that it has also received correspondence. In order to satisfy members, I am of the view that a comprehensive response is required in respect of the timeline involved, the date on which the property was sold, to whom it was...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: The answer to that is "No," because this has been rumbling on for some time. I am surprised Mr. O'Driscoll answered the questions as he did. He said "I believe they are in the estate". They are either in the estate or not.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: Well then, say things as they are. Deputy Costello's line of questioning arises from the fact that HL Commodity Foods Limited contacted the committee on a number of occasions. I am surprised the witnesses have requested to come back with further information when this is such a major issue. I will come back to Deputy Costello's line of questioning: what activity is Munster Packaging Limited...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: What does it do? Does it make packaging or does it package products?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Accounts of Shannon Free Airport Development Company (9 Oct 2014)

John McGuinness: Is it not the job of the witnesses to know what is going on in this area?

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