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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Is it normal for good governance that board members would be members of the audit committee?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Who had?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: I hope there are no taxpayers watching this committee meeting this morning. Bord na gCon gets almost €11 million a year of taxpayers’ money and while this is historical stuff it has to be based on something in the past in order to move into the future but from the Department right down questions are not being answered in any way that would give confidence to those taxpayers...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Deputy Connaughton just asked about the risk officer. Indecon understands that during its review Bord na gCon indicated that it was proposing to appoint a risk officer and said it should take place with immediate effect. It added that at all times a board should ensure that an experienced risk officer and an effective internal audit function are in place. Mr. Meaney is giving his version...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Did not all of this happen during Mr. Nealon’s time? I am not blaming him, I am just asking the question. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: The point I am making is that he was there during the course of the historical stuff we are talking about. The board then decided in October 2013 that it wanted to extend his time. He is referred to in the correspondence as being a transformational character. I am trying to marry up all of that presentation of his qualities to the Department and whether they shone through in the previous...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: How did he perform at that time with regard to his qualifications on examination, and for the project we are discussing?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: What is amazing about that?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Arising from that contributrion and previous questions, what Department, prior to the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine, was responsible for oversight of the operations of Bord na gCon?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Did officials from the relevant section of that Department transfer to the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Was there any conversation with them?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: There were one-to-one meetings with officials. Did they indicate there was a problem? I was a member of the Committee of Public Accounts which examined not this issue but other issues prior to 2007. Did officials of the then Department of Arts, Sports and Tourism flag to the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine that it was taking on a problem case?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Arising from the governance issues which led to the Dalton report and Comptroller and Auditor General's report of 2008, at the time when approval was sought to double the borrowing capacity of the group what examination took place? What in-depth analysis led the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine to agree to this?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: I know that Mr. Gleeson was not in the Department in 2009, but I would like him to focus on the information he received relative to that request, or did he receive any?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Did the Department believe at the time that there was an onus on it to ensure the strategic plan was tested to the point where issues arising from that examination would be highlighted for Bord na gCon? What happened? Was the plan tested in any way? Mr. Ryan may respond, if he so wishes.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: I understand that, but was the strategic plan tested prior to the decision being made to allow Bord na gCon to increase its borrowing limit?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: I understand that, but the Department was. The administration of the State was involved. I am not being personal because Mr. Ryan was not there but would somebody tell me if the administration of the State, whoever it was, tested that strategic plan or was it just impressed by the story it was told?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: That is a "No", I take it.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: Ms Larkin said that the audit function is outsourced, but to what company?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 86 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Bord na gCon (27 Nov 2014)

John McGuinness: We can come back to the business plan before the end of the meeting.

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