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Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McEnery has made that point that two or three times now. To complete this particular circle, with whom is he taking it up?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: With Nursing Homes Ireland, would Mr. McEnery have to-----

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: So Mr. McEnery is taking legal advice.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: May I just ask a final question? Mr. McEnery is chairman of HIQA, which is involved in this sector. The National Treatment Purchase Fund is involved financially in the sector. Would it be feasible for Mr. McEnery, or anybody from his firm, to be a member of the board of the National Treatment Purchase Fund?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I was about to ask Mr. McEnery to send me a copy of his presentation but he tells me he does not have one.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy Cullinane. We are down to ten-minute slots each now.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Through the Chair

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy has two minutes remaining.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: One minute, Deputy, because we-----

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy is out of time.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Did Mr. McEnery want to add something to that?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: May I be very clear on one question to Mr. McEnery, following on directly from that? He has indicated that as chairman of the board this issue - his appearance here today and the issues surrounding it - will be discussed at the board.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Can we take it that Mr. McEnery will recuse himself from that meeting or that section of the meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I think according to HIQA's rules of governance that the vice chair will chair such a meeting and that Mr. McEnery personally will not chair the meeting discussing this.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McEnery gets the point I am making.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: This is important if there will be a discussion of his situation. I am just being pragmatic about HIQA's own rules of governance, specifically that where there is a potential conflict of interest-----

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: -----the vice chair is asked to chair the meeting or whatever. Is that the procedure it will follow?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The next speaker is Deputy Catherine Connolly, who has ten minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will stop Mr. McEnery there because as Chairman I have ruled that there will be no reference to the document produced by the adviser because of legal privileges on it.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Please proceed without reference to the document or the name of the legal adviser.

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