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Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: On 28 September we met the Health Information and Quality Authority, HIQA, to discuss its 2016 financial statements. At that meeting we discussed briefly management of conflicts of interest, and the committee was quite satisfied with the responses. However, an article appeared on 8 October 2017 in the Sunday Independent on a meeting attended by HIQA chairman, Mr. Brian McEnery, with members...

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I thank Mr. McEnery. Deputy Mary Lou McDonald is the first speaker, with 20 minutes. Deputy Marc MacSharry is next, with 15 minutes. Deputies David Cullinane, Catherine Connolly, Catherine Murphy and Alan Farrell will follow in that order, and they all have ten minutes. We must be out of here before 1 p.m.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does Mr. McEnery agree to the committee publishing his statement?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Would Mr. McEnery like to respond?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am moving to Deputy Cullinane but first I have two questions. Did Mr. McEnery make a formal presentation to the event?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Did he ad lib?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: In his opening statement he has listed 18 points that he was asked about and to which he replied. He must have an extraordinary power of recollection that he was able to put such a good report together at this remove in time when he had made no presentation.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McEnery outlined the questions and his answers in his opening statement. When did he put this note together as part of his opening statement? When did he start putting this information together?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Within the past week.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The meeting was held in 2015, two years ago. Mr. McEnery has had no contact with this issue, no formal presentation, no notes, just a date in his diary. It is an outstanding summary of an event two years, if Mr. McEnery has not revisited the matter in two years.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: If the meeting was approximately three hours, for how long was Mr. McEnery there?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The majority.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McEnery missed the beginning and end.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I have to ask Mr. McEnery a straight question in the understanding he had no fee or anything. Did he meet any growing clients? He said in his opening statement he did not recognise some of the people there. I take that to mean he did recognise some of them.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: As clients?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Did he get any new clients as a result of it?

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is a general question.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McEnery’s opening statement is an extraordinarily tight and well-scripted one. If he is able to do that after two years with no notes from the meeting, he has an extraordinary memory.

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Did Mr. McEnery use those notes-----

Public Accounts Committee: HIQA: Governance and Management of Conflict of Interest Issues (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: -----as an aide-mémoire?

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