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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: That is contrary to the email with the words of Ms O'Keeffe in red - we cannot contest them here because she is not here - where she says RTÉ will underwrite the agreement.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: That is not my question. My question was whether Ms Mullooly agrees that it was conceded on behalf of RTÉ by Ms O'Keeffe.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: She said she conceded in negotiations. It was not a final legal position but it was conceded.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: But we concede points lots of times during a negotiation.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: With respect, I do not think the committee has made a decision on any issue because we should not do that. I think we should be careful-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: If I can make one point, Mr. Lynch said of this email that it was evidence that they met alone. He supplied additional information about who was at a Teams meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: No, but he supplied additional information on who was at a Teams meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: I will just go back to the tripartite agreement. When did RTÉ become aware that the tripartite agreement from Mr. Kelly existed in its written format? What is the earliest date for knowledge of that agreement?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: The invoice to Renault was issued in 2020, and the contract was signed by Renault in 2021.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: It seems unbelievable to me that Renault would pay an invoice a year before it would sign a contract. I think Mr. Lynch has indicated.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: So it was not paid until 2021, despite the invoice being raised in 2020.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Despite all the other parts of the five-year agreement being signed, sealed and finalised, the tripartite agreement was not actually in written format until 2021 for anybody involved in it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: When the tripartite agreement was finalised, we were well into Covid. We knew well what the restrictions were. We knew well there were limitations.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: That is new information. It is breathtaking to think that was the case; and the document was not signed by RTÉ. Was the document ever presented to RTÉ for signature?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Was there no request for RTÉ to sign the tripartite agreement?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: We then jump to the payment of the two invoices. There seems to be a gap in what we know here. Mr. Kelly talked about his side. He asked RTÉ to pay those two invoices. At that point, we know the Renault agreement was there. Who was Mr. Kelly asking?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Were all the dealings around the two invoices dealt with between Mr. Kelly and Ms O'Leary?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: He was seeking payment at that point. He asked RTÉ to make payment on two invoices. He was aware he was asking RTÉ to pay those invoices or to arrange for Renault to pay those invoices. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Paul McAuliffe: Was he looking for it from RTÉ?

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