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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: It is policy. Has accommodation been procured? If there are additional requirements, how is it found? I know that it is spread throughout the country and we have done our bit in Carlow and Kilkenny. I am from Kilkenny and we have allocated houses to Syrian families, in particular. Do we have accommodation for them? Who paid for it? Was it the Department of Justice and Equality or the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Whose responsibility is it? Is it the responsibility of the local authorities?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Does any rent have to be paid by the refugees? I suppose they do not have an income. Are they allowed to work? Some are and some are not.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: If they do find some employment, do they have to pay something back in rent or make some reimbursement to the State?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Therefore, if they have an income, they pay accordingly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: I do not wish to drag out the questioning, but did Kilkenny County Council receive compensation for the houses that were provided, either to buy or rent them? Who paid? Was it the council through the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government or is a special fund given to the council from a central fund to buy such houses? I am speaking about Kilkenny because that is where I am...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: The reason I am asking is that I was told that Kilkenny County Council had to cover the costs from its own funding to provide the houses for refugees that have been made available to date. I did not send any letter or make an inquiry. At this stage approximately 12 families have been housed in Kilkenny. My understanding is the cost falls on the local authority, rather than a central fund....

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: In our case, it is the local authority.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: I am asking the question because of something I heard. I will ask a final question. Can refugees apply for Irish citizenship after they have been here for seven years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: They can apply for Irish citizenship.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: I just to ask about the payroll. I have spent a long time on two issues and have a few other issues to raise, but I will finish on this one and can come back in.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: There were overpayments of €550,000 to 150 employees. What are the circumstances surrounding an overpayment? Why is anyone overpaid? I am not overpaid for anything I do. I am glad to be paid what I earn, but I am not overpaid. I have no come-back. I get what I get, from which tax and everything else are taken out. Why is there overpayment in the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: I see that there are 73 such employees.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Is there a recovery plan to get back the money? If someone is overpaid by €20,000 or €30,000, in two years a person will not be able to afford to pay back all of the money at once. Is there an option to pay back the money over a specified period?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Is interest applied?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Is the Department modernising its system in order that it will not happen?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: My last question relates to claims made by members of the public. I do not understand this. Total legal costs for claims made by members of the public amounted to €6.1956 million, while awards amounted to €100,000. How did legal costs come to €6.1956 million and the awards to €100,000 in compensation? That sounds extravagant on a like-for-like basis. How could...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: It cost €7 million to pay €100,000.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Is it value for money? What system is in place that it could cost €7 million to pay out €100,000 in compensation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Bobby Aylward: They are overall costs. Is the cost carried by the State? Does it relate to free legal aid?

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