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Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Were they at the centre of any of the allegations that were made?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Dr. Murphy is reluctant.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Dr. Murphy is reluctant, I would say, because my understanding is that they were. If they were, why were they one of those firms that were then paid €10,000 in the course of this work? If they were - Dr. Murphy will not answer - one of those who were at the centre of the allegations and then they were hired and paid almost 10,000, is that not a conflict of interest?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Is it correct that the Comptroller and Auditor General's office has stated that it received an unredacted copy of the report?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Did the HEA receive an unredacted copy?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: The Department would have received an unredacted copy. It is only the Committee of Public Accounts that received a redacted, heavily redacted, copy of the report. Are we the only ones who received the redacted version of it?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: What I am saying is that-----

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: What I am saying is that everybody else has full unredacted copies of it, except this body. We are the public representatives, the democratic oversight. We are kept pretty much in the dark.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: But they were identified, I am sorry, Dr. Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: That is irrelevant. In the unredacted version, those names and their titles were given to the HEA-----

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: -----they were given to the Comptroller and Auditor General, they were given to the Department-----

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: -----but they were not given to us. Why not us?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Maybe Mr. Gallagher can answer.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: If it is in order, I have a few quick questions for Professor Norton. In relation to Swets UK-----

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: -----is it correct it went bust owing its customers €9 million?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Is it correct that there was a €1 million loss across 37 libraries in Ireland?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: How much of that €1 million would have been attributed to Professor Norton's organisation?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Some 71.8% of the €1 million loss. It is quite shocking for Professor Norton that it was 71.8%. It was described in the past as quite shocking by his organisation. What did Professor Norton do about that when it happened? Did the institute itself commission a report into this?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Who carried out this report?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

David Cullinane: Who carried it out?

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