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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The 2015 accounts will be completed-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The 2016-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: What of the 2017 accounts? When is the ETB's year end?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: So the Comptroller and Auditor General will not see those until next year.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: What about the 2014 accounts?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Have we noted them?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will acknowledge this letter and tell the ETB that we expect the 2017 financial statements to be completed within six months of year end, which is the normal procedure. Is that agreed? Agreed. Next is No. 812C, dated 13 October, from the general secretary of Education and Training Boards Ireland, ETBI. He has also spoken to the clerk by phone. The general secretary points out that...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Now there is an investigation.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is right. It is an item on our work programme, but it does not have to be done immediately. I am asking whether members have any particular ETB in mind. At the beginning of the month, we received a note from the Comptroller and Auditor General to the effect that there were outstanding issues in respect of the Kildare and Wicklow ETB. As the Deputy mentioned, there is an...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: So the 2013-14 audit is included with the 2015 audit.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am not fixed to this, but I will suggest the City of Dublin ETB, given its sheer size. It would be an obvious one, seeing as how it is the largest by a mile. I have no particular issue with it, but it would be strange not to invite it to attend. It is the most prominent ETB, so inviting it to attend would almost be automatic.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Absolutely. We will discuss that and perhaps agree at our next meeting which ETBs to invite. We have scheduled a November date for them, so we will try to finalise which to invite next week. The next items of correspondence are Nos. 813C(i) to (iii), inclusive, dated 13 October, from an outsourcing company called Forward Emphasis. The company is trying to ascertain whether properties of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Correct.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes. As the current Chairman, I raised this matter arising from a previous Committee of Public Accounts that dealt with the Social Insurance Fund, which handles unpaid amounts by employers in respect of PRSI, redundancy and insolvency payments. There was talk of collecting money from a widow who got something that she should not have got. After discussing the Social Insurance Fund and an...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The State has no system in place whatever, which is extraordinary. I would consider it a contingent asset to the State but there is no mechanism in place. Therefore-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will take the matter up further. Last year, I tabled a parliamentary question on the matter on an individual basis but we need to formally follow up the matter now. We will ask the company to contact the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform directly and we will write to the Department directly asking it to put a system in place and advise us accordingly.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Nobody does the transfer and the matter is just left lying there.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is a bit like people who die intestate where one must rely on the solicitor, and I am probably not being exact when I say the following, to conduct a transfer. In terms of whoever liquidates the company, there can be an asset but the original owner may have left this jurisdiction.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will write to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform-----

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