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- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: For those who watch the committee, it is important to get some background to understand the specifics that we are familiar with but that the public do not know.
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: No. He will answer the question. He has given some background for the benefit of viewers who do not know the details. He will give the specific answer to the specific question. That is guaranteed.
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: That is a subtle difference.
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: Fine. It goes without saying that the transcript of everything said will be sent to the commission for it to look into the matter. Before the next Deputy speaks, I wish to clarify a point. Mr. O'Brien referred to examining the Grace case, in respect of which a settlement of €600,000 was approved by the High Court, but he also referred to other cases. Are more cases coming? How...
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: Given that Mr. O'Brien referred to a number of other claims this morning and he does not-----
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: Does Ms Colley, who is the CHO area 5 manager, know whether there are other cases separate from the Grace case? Mr. O'Brien has indicated that he does not know what is with the State Claims Agency, but Ms Colley seems to be the manager of CHO area 5 and should know whether there are cases from her area now with the State Claims Agency in respect of the service providers to the people...
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: If Ms Colley does not have the information in front of her, is she aware of other cases? A case cannot have got to the level of the State Claims Agency without the HSE sending it. The State Claims Agency is the HSE's agent dealing with the case. As the principal, the HSE should know what it has asked the State Claims Agency to deal with on its behalf.
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: Mr. O'Brien wants to be exact.
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: We do not want the details of specific individuals. That goes without saying. If Grace was just the precedent and more cases are following with the State Claims Agency, though, the committee needs to know. I just want to put it on the record. We ask that Mr. O'Brien send us that information. I call Deputy Cullinane. We are nearly finished.
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: First, the commission is examining that issue specifically. As we know, the Waterford Intellectual Disability Association has made that exact point. Second, we in the committee can pass on information but we cannot come to a conclusion on this point without examining the funding of other organisations, which we will not be doing.
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: I agree. The Deputy should bear in mind that our discussions today on this particular point will be included in the transcript of proceedings and will go to the commission. Our deliberations will help it to draw a conclusion on the matter.
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: We cannot disprove Mr. O'Brien's conclusion without our undertaking a programme of examination, which we do not need to do. We will pass the information we do have on to the commission.
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: The commission can look at other organisations. Is Mr. O'Brien in a position to say whether the payment of €600,000 was to Grace or to the service provider? There is one view that the money was to Grace for compensation and another view that the funding went to the organisation to cover the costs it incurred in respect of Grace's care. Will Mr. O'Brien enlighten us in this regard?
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: However, Mr. O'Brien cannot state that.
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: Does Mr. O'Brien have a note on it? If the funding went to Grace and from her to the service provider, we understand why that might be the case. However, that means the HSE did not provide funding to the service provider even as a result of the findings concerning Grace.
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: Does that mean the money was given to the Waterford Intellectual Disability Association and from it to Grace? Or is it the other way around?
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: That information is coming up on screen. We just want to be clear where the payment went.
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: Members may object to that approach.
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: As Chairman, I advise Mr. O'Brien not to answer if it is unsafe to do so.
- Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)
Seán Fleming: I will read out paragraph 3.18.