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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: It has missed that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will write to it, more in hope, reminding it of its legal obligations and insisting it meets its legal obligations. We will actually say in the letter that we will pencil in a meeting for early April if the accounts have not been presented to the Comptroller and Auditor General. If it does not meet its 31 March deadline, it will be in here in April to answer why it missed the deadline....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We hear everywhere that regulators do not regulate. We are actually the regulator of this group. We are the regulator for any organisation with a statutory duty to report to the Oireachtas and be audited by us, and we should not fail in our duty.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: This is one of the reasons we will look at this sector and we will have a separate meeting on that. We will not fall back on our duties on this. Three months is the statutory deadline for the 2017 accounts and they will be brought before the committee in early April if they have not complied with the statutory position. No. 834 is correspondence dated 23 October from an individual...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The next item is the work programme. The issue the committee must discuss is how we will structure our meeting with representatives of the education and training boards, ETBs, on 16 November. We agreed at a previous meeting to invite representatives of the City of Dublin Education and Training Board, CDETB, given its size and scale. The secretariat has proposed having representatives of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will discuss the education and training board functions in Dublin. The rationale for inviting representatives of Kilkenny and Carlow, Limerick and Clare and Mayo education and training boards is that some of them have been performing poorly with regard to their accounts and we want to bring in some of the tardy boards. However, I also asked the secretariat to choose the best education...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: ETBI is not funded.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Deputy McDonald wishes to bring in representatives of Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Oversight.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Did we agree that it would go to all members?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Board members do not know that this is going on.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will sign off on this shortly. We have a duty. We are here for value for money for the taxpayer. I suggest that if we bring in four or five ETBs that have problems, we could take a proactive role and tell ETBs that they need to lift their game. We are not asking them to do anything that is not achievable. It is not to give anyone a bualadh bos. It is to use one ETB to show the others...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will not allocate too much time to it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Maybe we will finish. I would request, as Chairman, to have them here in case, for example, we have three ETBs complaining that it is not possible, so we can say that it is possible. We may substitute Limerick and Clare ETB and Mayo, Sligo and Leitrim ETB for the Tipperary ETB and Kildare and Wicklow ETB. We will go ahead with the Department, SOLAS, City of Dublin Education and Training...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will be conscious of that but it does not stand us down in our role. That is the format.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Here we are again. The best City of Dublin ETB has is two year old financial statements.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Oh my god.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I understand that.

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