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Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes. As it is a High Court issue, Mr. O'Brien wants to be clear and I am also a little bit confused.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I urge Mr. O'Brien to deal with the question.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The service provider.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Through the Chair, please.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Regarding the service provider, please.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I understand what the Deputy is saying. Many members of this committee and those who monitor it closely understand the details relating to the High Court, separating the Grace case from the service provider and who took the case, but the people watching do not know the details. This is why I am allowing more context. It is not for our benefit. We understand.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is for the people watching. This is not coming out of the Deputy's time.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are the Committee of Public Accounts. There are people watching this meeting and trying to-----

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. O'Brien will answer the question.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: For those who watch the committee, it is important to get some background to understand the specifics that we are familiar with but that the public do not know.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: No. He will answer the question. He has given some background for the benefit of viewers who do not know the details. He will give the specific answer to the specific question. That is guaranteed.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is a subtle difference.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Fine. It goes without saying that the transcript of everything said will be sent to the commission for it to look into the matter. Before the next Deputy speaks, I wish to clarify a point. Mr. O'Brien referred to examining the Grace case, in respect of which a settlement of €600,000 was approved by the High Court, but he also referred to other cases. Are more cases coming? How...

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Given that Mr. O'Brien referred to a number of other claims this morning and he does not-----

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does Ms Colley, who is the CHO area 5 manager, know whether there are other cases separate from the Grace case? Mr. O'Brien has indicated that he does not know what is with the State Claims Agency, but Ms Colley seems to be the manager of CHO area 5 and should know whether there are cases from her area now with the State Claims Agency in respect of the service providers to the people...

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