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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Obviously. I know my place. I will read this out because it relates to today's issue in respect of Grace. It is from Ray Mitchell of the HSE and states "Just to advise that given the range of issues re Deloitte, the [director general] will give a short opening statement this morning". We are allocating a maximum of one hour to Grace, because we are dealing with the rest of our business in...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Maybe it is not.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is clearly what it says. That would be the normal process. They are quoting what I would consider standard procedure. They would not normally issue draft reports, especially to third parties. We are saying that this is not normal, the Oireachtas has taken a serious view and the Oireachtas has set up a committee of investigation. No doubt it will have to be produced, one way or...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We understand the standard response but we will say this is not a standard request. We can raise that briefly with Mr. Tony O'Brien when he comes in shortly. Is that okay?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: The HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I had a quick look at the terms of reference. It is normal, due to client confidentiality, when they are commissioned by the HSE to produce a report that it cannot be used by anybody other than those who commissioned it or those specifically for whom it was intended. When this report was being commissioned, it was not intended that it would be given to the Committee of Public Accounts and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Tony O'Brien is here. We will ask him to confirm that he is happy for us to get the report. Maybe we will ask him to get it directly and for him to provide it. That was our first port of call. He is now saying to write to Deloitte but we will short-circuit that process when he is here in public session. The next item of correspondence is No. 819B, correspondence dated 20 October...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We can write to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform in the meantime. We do not have to wait for the Department to come in if we have particular queries.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: If we are going to take it up with the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, we will clear it up inside in the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: It appears that the organisation's representatives have written to us of their own volition.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Okay. We will correspond with the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform after the next meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Absolutely. We will include that in the work programme. We are agreed that Deputy Kelly will send information to the secretariat.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: On the work programme next week, we will see how we will proceed with it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: That will be included for discussion as part of the work programme at the next meeting. The next item is correspondence No. 826C, dated 10 October 2017, from Professor Gerry Boyle, director of Teagasc, which provides procurement information requested by the committee relating to the Teagasc financial statements for 2016. There were four services mentioned as being non-competitive and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is that a good outcome?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: Then we will note and publish that letter from Teagasc. Okay. The next item is correspondence, dated 19 October 2017, from Mr. Aidan O'Driscoll, Secretary General, Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine, providing information as requested by the committee on the foal levy and impediments to basing the levy on the actual amount paid by the breeder rather than a standard nomination...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will ask the Deputy to speak.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: My initial instinct is that we should progress the matter, but I would not want the independent inspector to think our involvement was in any way interfering with her statutory independence. I would not want the Committee of Public Accounts to be accused of interfering.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: We all agree to put that on the record. We are seeking information. That is the only caveat.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Seán Fleming: What I suggest, because we have the documentation and there are 100 points raised and perhaps not everybody has had an opportunity, is that maybe with the assistance of the secretariat for the next meeting we actually come back with-----

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