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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: That is a piece of equipment. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: It has to be purchased.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: There has to be a set number. I imagine if there were some in the system, Mr. Finn would know how many had been purchased and would also be able to tell me how many were used for the time period.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: Does Mr. Finn have that information?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: I will make Mr. Finn's job easier for him. My understanding is that on the PULSE system the number of recorded tests from October 2011 to December 2016 was 1,996,365. On the Medical Bureau of Road Safety's figures, it was 1,058,157. Mr. Finn should be in a position to tell me today in that period from October 2011 to December 2016, were there 1,996,365 mouthpieces?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: My point still stands. There is basic purchasing involved here. Either there were 1,996,365 mouthpieces or not. It is incredible we still do not have that information. I find it incredible. I want the Commissioner or Mr. Finn, if he is more aware, to talk me through how this works. How does the mandatory breath testing work from when the vehicle leaves the station? Before it leaves the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: How are they given that stock? Will Mr. Finn just bear with me? Do they have to sign for it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: Bear with me. Are they recorded? If there is a patrol going out and they get a set number, is it then recorded how many they are given?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: That was never done.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: So it is possible then-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: Mr. Finn is saying that so casually as if it is something that is acceptable.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: What I am saying to Mr. Finn is that it is bizarre. It is almost beyond belief that there would be no recording of how many is given to each unit that goes out. There is no proper recording. Now that we know that did not happen, will Mr. Finn bear with me? The patrol goes out and sets up a mandatory checkpoint. It then has to do a set number of these mandatory tests. I was stopped on...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: How does Mr. Finn know it was done at all?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: It is impossible for Mr. Finn to know. How is it possible to know how many was done?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: Okay, so there is no-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: But if there is 50-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: Let us just be hypothetical-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: In terms of checks and balances, let us take the round figure of 50-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: Let us take the round figure of 50 that Mr. Finn gave. How is it possible to ensure that 50 actually took place?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(13 Jul 2017)

David Cullinane: Yes, but that actually 50 cars were stopped. Is it possible it could have been done some other way?

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