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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: I welcome to our guests. Unfortunately, a number of Deputies could not make it today, including our Chairman, Deputy Maurice Quinlivan, and Deputies Matt Shanahan and David Stanton. Their apologies are noted. There are some basic requirements in relation to Covid-19. People are asked to take personal responsibility and to protect themselves and others. That is taken as read. Members...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: I thank Mr. O'Shiel. I call Mr. Flanagan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: I thank Mr. Flanagan very much indeed for that comprehensive brief. I call Dr. Carroll.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: I thank Dr. Carroll again for her presentation. I will open the meeting to members. We have a few members online who are not members of the committee. The two speakers from Sinn Féin will have 14 minutes between them. Then the Fianna Fáil speakers will have 14 minutes between them. Senator Crowe, being the Fianna Fáil member, can decide how to divide the 14 minutes between...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: That is fine. We can let Senator Crowe in for another seven minutes after Senator Garvey so that he will not be time constrained.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: Dr. McCarthy wishes to come in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: I will bring in Dr. Carroll and Dr. McCarthy because their submission has taken slightly different views on some of those issues, such as the number of three as opposed to seven, which they considered to be good for start-ups. Not to put words in their mouths, they might like to respond to Deputy Cahill's comments.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: Will the witnesses comment on whether the reserves are onerous as is presented? Their submission saw merit in the reserve.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: Does "as appropriate" mean as appropriate to the regulator's view or to the co-operatives' view?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: Okay, so it does not apply in an company. The audit issue came up. ICOS suggest that members would approve an exemption. Senator Crowe and Deputy Cahill are saying there should be a requirement of a periodic audit every five years or so. Is there a middle ground between those views? Has anyone a particular comment on that? We can remain agnostic on that issue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: They are remaining silent on the issue. ICOS have offered the option of members allowing the exemption to roll over. The others are not taking a firm position. As I understand it, they are not volunteering to answer the question or to support the position of Deputy Cahill and Senator Crowe.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: Okay, if people want to express-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: It will come back to the committee to make a call in our response. Senator Garvey has indicated but is not indicating at the moment. I call Senator Gavan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: Would you need a legal protection of that or is Mr. Moyne content with the rule book stating it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: Will the Senator clarify if his concern is that small businesses could have a succession into a co-op or is he concerned about co-ops having no succession planning and becoming ossified?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: It is not about the legal frailty of this legislation, it is more that there is not a channel to make it-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Cooperative Societies Bill 2022: Discussion (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: On the other side, is there a problem with co-ops ossifying? Some go into a situation where assets remain, nothing happens, they go into disuse and there is no avenue out to rejuvenate them. Is that an issue?

Written Answers — Department of Health: Dental Services (15 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: 155. To ask the Minister for Health if he has reviewed the adequacy of dental services for people who hold medical cards; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [7465/23]

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Building Reform Regulations: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (14 Feb 2023)

Richard Bruton: The committee is somewhat frustrated because we tend to look at the building sector as an entity in itself. We feel there ought to be a single Minister reporting to us on the performance of the sector. It seems we have a very divided situation, whereby the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage looks after planning regulations, solar panel regulations and all sorts of things...

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