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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: On that, and I thank the Deputy for asking that question and I will not take from his time, what service level agreement does the Department have in place with RTÉ for the €179.1 million it gave it in 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I understand all that. Go back to the question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: No, go back to the question. Mr. Griffin is the Accounting Officer. He wrote a cheque for €179.1 million of Irish taxpayers' money and gave it to a third party, RTÉ, a commercial semi-State body. What service level agreement and contract does he have in place with RTÉ for that €179 million? I am not asking about RTÉ's responsibility, I am asking about Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is shocking. The biggest item of expenditure of the Department, €179 million, is handed over to RTÉ. We all know RTÉ and we watch it, but Mr. Griffin is telling me he does not even know if he has a service level agreement. I take it if he had one he would know the answer to that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: No, let us pursue this line.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does Mr. Griffin think he should have a service level agreement in place? He is handing over taxpayers' money. Should he have a service level agreement? If he does not think so we certainly think so. We are here every week of the year when publicly funded Government Departments hand over substantial funds to third parties on the basis of work being carried out. We would expect a public...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I just wanted to put that in.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: We might have to.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy may do so when he speaks again. I have a question for the Comptroller and Auditor General about this. He might not have it at the tip of his fingers since he did not know the question was coming and he might have to give us a note next week. Are there any other Departments where amounts of this scale are handed out without a service level agreement being in place? Everything...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: It all follows from Deputy Cullinane's initial question about the taxation arrangements by people who work in RTÉ but who are self-employed contractors. We now know that the majority of those self-employed contracts have been funded directly by departmental funding. That is where it has led us. It would be another issue if it was strictly a commercial matter but we now know that the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I have just said it. I have just said that €179 million of RTÉ's €337 million annual turnover is from the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: That means a majority of RTÉ's funding comes from the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I do not think RTÉ produces financial statements separating the use of the €179 million from its commercial revenue. I think it is just one pot. We are entitled to some proportionality. Most of the money went in from the Department. Most of the money that went out, under various headings, is taxpayers' money. Mr. Griffin gets where the sequence led.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is an issue. We will move on from the topic but we will have to revert to it. From our point of view as the Committee of Public Accounts, we see a cheque go out for €179 million and we have not seen any audit trail for how it was spent. That is where we are now and we have to discuss how we close that circle in due course.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will have to come back to the topic separately. I ask Mr. Griffin to send along any information he can provide to assist us with our query.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: That will be one. Sorry about the delay. I call Deputy MacSharry.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy should be conscious of time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I took four minutes of that time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will the Deputy ask her final question. She will have a second opportunity to put questions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Climate Action and Environment
(9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are not finished yet.

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