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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The purpose of the card lies at the heart of this as well. It is a national identity card-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: However, there was a stated purpose in setting this up to begin with. It has gone beyond that stated purpose.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: As there is clearly a Garda investigation under way into this matter, the committee may well be limited in terms of what it can find out about the case until the investigation concludes. Irrespective of whether the foundation is consolidated, the same risk potentially applies to other universities. There is not much point in deriving some learning from this if we do not share it...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: We are due to have NAMA in, is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: There will be a wide variety of issues-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: We are not publishing this, is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Those are for today.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The Insolvency Service of Ireland has a clear audit opinion.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: We agreed that we would come back to deal with the housing assistance payment, HAP, but also housing, of which HAP is a part.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: It is a very big area and it is difficult to figure out the amount of money that has been announced and on what it has been spent. That entire area is embedded in that Department

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: -----and it is important for us to have it-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The cost of homelessness, apart from the human cost.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: There is a range of issues in that regard.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Good morning, gentlemen. There are no ladies present, which is something we tend to notice. I will ask brief questions and I would like succinct replies because I am limited on time. My question is addressed to the SCA. We had understood that the contingent liability was €2.6 billion, but the figure today is €2.7 billion and Mr. O'Kelly stated that it is between...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: We discovered during a previous engagement that the average legal cost per clinical claim is €40,000, which compares with €8,000 for general claims. We were trying to get to a position where there is monetary disclosure and mediated settlements in cases where people have been damaged by the State and have a legitimate claim in order that the State's costs State could be lowered...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: How many cases is the State Claims Agency handling currently?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: How many of those cases are being mediated?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The Taoiseach made a statement in the Dáil, and from what I understand there is another party to this and there is a liability beyond the State in regard to one of the laboratories. The Taoiseach had said that the mediation could be concluded and the State would then pursue the third party. Is that viable?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Has Mr. Breen spoken to the HSE about cases that are likely to fall into the category where the laboratories are involved as a third party?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Catherine Murphy: What happens to the other cases outside of the 40 cases? Is it up to the individual to issue proceedings or will the HSE handle the cases by advising people of their rights and entitlements, and the supports that might be available to them?

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