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Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Connolly is proposing we continue to put questions and the answers we receive will be the answers we receive. That is what Deputy-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will ask the views of the members. Do we want a brief discussion among ourselves for a few moments in private session as to how we proceed? What do members think? I am only asking members.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: It has been suggested by a member that we get some legal advice, which is available to us now if we go into private session. We will do that briefly. When we go into private session, we have to clear the room for ourselves to have our own private discussion. I ask the witnesses to be on hand for the end of the private session.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: During our brief discussion with members in private session on our questions to the Kildare and Wicklow ETB we got the benefit of legal advice. We will proceed with our meeting, but I remind the witnesses that they are here in a voluntary capacity and are not compelled to be present. They are free at any time to leave. They are here of their own volition. We will continue to put questions...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: There is a second half. We will continue and I will call speakers in the following sequence, Deputies Alan Kelly, Catherine Connolly, Catherine Murphy and Bobby Aylward. There are witnesses from two ETBs and members are free to put question to either or both ETBs as they choose.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Definitely, yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I must ask the Deputy to conclude. He will have a second opportunity later to put more questions.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is new information.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: You have had a conversation with your legal adviser-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: ----while we were having our discussion.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I shared with you our legal advise to the committee, which was that you are not legally prevented from answering the question, but what is your legal advice?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is your legal advice.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Which you did not have earlier but you have got it now.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: During the period when we were in private session.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: You did not have it earlier but you have it now.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy is on time.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I thank the witness for telling us that. I had not heard of that. We will send a letter seeking information on that. That sounds like great news.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: There is something afoot. I had not heard about that before, and we will write to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform for more information on that. I call on Deputy Kelly.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I have a final question which Mr. Loftus may be able to answer. He twice mentioned an internal audit unit. Is that in the Department or in each ETB?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: How many staff will it have?

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