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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I have read the documentation and it should not have been like this. The report shows that it was underestimated and highlights the division between the Government and the religious organisations which agreed to pay €128 million each, but the final bill was over €1 billion.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I will let Ms Downes speak, but I do not want to be distracted. I want to sort out the problem of governance and the question of a plan and objectives. The Comptroller and Auditor General laid out four bullet points. Surely the board looked at them at some stage and decided how it was going to proceed.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That information has been available since 2016. A sensible board would have looked back and tried to see how it would have tackled it in a fair and just way.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Does Ms Downes think so?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I did not suggest doing that. I do not know who suggested it. As it was the potential figure Caranua had to meet, it needed to plan around it.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Sin ceist eile a dúirt an finné, agus is ceist thar a bheith tábhachtach í. Even now, looking back, Mr. O'Callaghan is justifying the system under which Caranua gave more to the people who applied first and less to those who applied later. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I am not asking Mr. O'Callaghan to speculate but to learn as he goes along. He was new on the board, but he has now been there quite some time, as has Ms Downes.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I want to come back to the questions about rent and the contingency plans. With what contingency plan has Caranua come up for outstanding appeals or court cases and findings of the Ombudsman? How many appeals are outstanding? How many cases are in the Ombudsman's office and what provision has Caranua made for them?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: They are with the appeals office.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Are the decisions in favour of the clients?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: An estimated €400,000 is due in those cases.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Are there outstanding appeals in which there has not been a conclusion?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: What provision has Caranua made for those appeals?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is what I am asking.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: When will that lovely piece of work be done?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: What is the contingency sum? What figure has Caranua set aside for those appeals?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Along with the €400,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Are there other possible legal cases?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: There are no contingency plans for any such case.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Is any with the Ombudsman?

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