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Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Well done.

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I call the final speaker on this section, Deputy Connolly.

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will the witnesses from Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board comment on the expenditure of €911,000 under the Youthreach heading, which seems by far the lowest spend under that programme for any ETB? Why is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is there much engagement between the training board and the juvenile liaison officer in regard to the numbers coming through the Youthreach programme and so on?

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am merely concerned that the allocation for the area under this programme is historically low, which might mean Kilkenny and Carlow ETB is not receiving a fair portion of available funding. I see that City of Dublin ETB received €1.45 million from SOLAS for the back to education initiative, which seems remarkably low given that Cork, for example, gets a much higher sum. Why is...

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I have a question for the two chairmen of the board. What issues have arisen in recent years as a consequence of the merger of the former VECs to create the new training boards? In both cases, as I understand it, the large membership includes local authority members, two staff members, parent members and five other members appointed under section 11 of the legislation. In the view of the...

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is useful information in the context of my question as to whether there are any impending staffing approvals that might affect the capacity of either board to carry out its functions.

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is that role contracted out or is it internal?

Public Accounts Committee: City of Dublin Education and Training Board and Kilkenny and Carlow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does the committee agree to dispose of the City of Dublin 2015 financial statements and Kilkenny and Carlow ETB's financial statement for 2016? Agreed. I thank the witnesses for coming. They are invited to remain for the next session if they choose. We will suspend while the witnesses from Tipperary ETB and from Kildare and Wicklow ETB take their seats.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will continue our consideration of the education and training board sector. This is session 3, at which we are joined by the Tipperary Education and Training Board for its 2015 financial statements and by Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board for its 2014 financial statements. From Tipperary Education and Training Board, I welcome Mr. John Hogan, chairman; Ms Fionuala...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I call on Ms Fionuala McGeever to make her opening statement on behalf of Tipperary ETB, who will be followed by Mr. Seán Ashe, on behalf of Kildare and Wicklow ETB.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Deputies have indicated in the following sequence: Deputy Mary Lou McDonald, Deputy David Cullinane, Deputy Alan Kelly, Deputy Catherine Connolly, Deputy Catherine Murphy and Deputy Bobby Aylward. We will start with a 15-minute slot but we will have ten-minute slots after that as quite a few members have indicated.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Can we get the document up on the screen so that everybody can see it?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: What number is it?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will try to get it up on the screen.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: May I just cut in?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I do not want to take up the Deputy's time, but I have a question on a matter that has been raised. Will Mr. Ó Foghlú tell us whether Mr. Thorn is independent? Is he appointed by the Department to conduct an independent investigation?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: If he is an independent investigator, why would he advise someone he is investigating about whom he or she should speak to? What is the Department's view on an independent investigator telling people what they should or should not say if asked a question? I am asking about Dr. Thorn. The committee received a letter from Mr. Ó Foghlú today. It states:Given that the investigation...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Who initiated the conversation?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Did he indicate that he was going to communicate with anyone else? There is an independent investigation. I would have thought he would be getting on with his job rather than tic-tacking with Mr. Loftus or anyone else.

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