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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: How much are they paid? Is it true the chairman is paid €50,000 a year for five meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: Mr. Corrigan might like to think it, but he has not gone out to find out whether it is right or wrong.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: That is why Mr. Corrigan has to pay them so much. How much is Ms Fitzpatrick paid?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: I am well aware of that, but I am asking the question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: Mr. Corrigan is at liberty to say but he is not required to say.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: So the NTMA does not recruit everybody in the market. It appoints insiders who do not have to go to competition and it refuses to reveal how much they are paid.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: Basically Mr. Corrigan will not tell us, so we are acting in the dark about what people are paid. We are a value-for-money committee. We obviously cannot make any judgments on individuals because we do not know what they are getting paid and Mr. Corrigan will not tell us. That is the reality. It seems pretty farcical to me. What about pensions? How much is Michael Somers, Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: Yes, but he is deputy chairman of AIB as well.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: Okay, well he gets €150,000 for that. When is Mr. Corrigan due to retire?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: What sort of pension will Mr. Corrigan get then?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: The salary has come down, has it not?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: Okay. What sort of a pension will Mr. Corrigan get? How much will it be?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: I am sure Mr. Corrigan has a rough idea.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: Yes, but would it be €100,000, €150,000 or €200,000?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: Does Mr. Corrigan contribute to the pension?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: So Mr. Corrigan does not pay any pension contributions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: So Mr. Corrigan pays none, the employer pays none and he is getting a six figure pension. Can Mr. Corrigan indicate how much it will be? If it is related to salary, presumably there is a formula.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: Why will Mr. Corrigan not tell us? It is coming out of public funds. I think it is reasonable, Chairman, that we should know what pensions people get.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: I do not want that sort of detail, but I wanted the formula.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 4 - National Pensions Reserve Fund
Chapter 25 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency - Financial Statements 2011
National Pensions Reserve Fund Commission - Financial Statements 2011
(22 Nov 2012)

Shane Ross: We know it is six figures but I do not know whether it is €100,000 or up to Dr. Somers's figure of €265,000. I am trying to establish what sort of arrangements senior staff at the NTMA have for their pensions. I am not getting very far because, while I know it is related to salary, I do not know how closely it is related to salary or what the formula is.

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