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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: What did your comments mean?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: No. Deputy O'Donovan's questions related to the role of Mr. Roche and how he goes through the analysis from the college. Mr. Boland gave the impression in his reply that a comment of some kind on the audit committee's meetings was contained in that report. I am asking Mr. Boland specifically if he will tell me where it is in that report. Has he a copy of the report that we can see where...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: We can take it there is no comment on those matters in respect of the specific audit committees. I would simply like a copy of the report.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: May we have a copy of the report?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: During the meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: Deputy O'Donovan-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: I call Deputy Dowds.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: I call Deputy Deasy.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: I ask people to remove their mobile phones from their desks.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: Does someone in the Department oversee compliance on governance issues in the HEA and colleges such as this organisation here?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: Would the Department ever get down to the college level or does it stop at the HEA?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: In the context of governance, would that section look at the structure of the boards, who would be on those boards, the overlap of boards within the educational sector and the role of audit committees?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: Just looking back-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: I am not worried about who nominates them. I am interested in how the Department oversees the governance issues, particularly those relevant to boards and audit committees. What Mr. Ó Foghlú is confirming for me is that in the course of this period, the Department had, and still has, a section that would look at that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: How is the reporting between the Department and the HEA managed? Does it happen on weekly? Do the Department and the HEA have meetings just when they are needed? How does the Department engage with Mr. Boland?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: Were issues like this which were relevant to Professor McGonagle's college or any other college raised at any of those quarterly meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: Of a significant-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: But no other college is on the radar?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: So there is a good line of communication open here.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements of the Higher Education Authority 2013
General Report No. 85 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Accountability and Governance on the National College of Art and Design
(22 Jan 2015)

John McGuinness: In spite of that line of communication, this college was allowed to perform the way it did because of the fact that there was a breakdown in that communication between the college and Mr. Boland. Is that about it?

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