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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: No problem.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: I do not know any elected representative who has not had an issue with the RTB. I came across instances where it was recognising landlords by their email address. Typically, if an agent was using one email, all the properties were linked to that email address. I had a situation where there were two completely separate individuals but one had been making the applications and that email...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: It is very difficult.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: I am not sure that even still the RTB’s system operates in the way that it should.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: The agent for the landlord did go online with the same email address and the RTB combined properties from the agent’s email address and attributed them to the wrong person because of the email address. It was very challenging. Since then, the landlord has passed away. That is literally how it was remedied. One of the landlords passed away. It is a very difficult agency to deal with.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: Since we are in 2024, I would like to know, for the timeline to be February 2025, if we have a more recent update, because I am sure it has been extended again. We can see from the history that, month on month, the report extended it by a month. That would mean we are at July 2025 by now.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: I may be wrong but I believe point b) has regard to how the Department or migration officials look at the application where nothing is put forward by the applicant deeming a country safe or otherwise. As a result, there would be an automatic rejection.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: That is because it is on the list. However, where the applicant puts something forward that says otherwise, it is considered differently. It is deemed to be a safe country where there is no evidence to the contrary.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: He or she is then given the same process as anybody else seeking asylum on those grounds.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: I am not sure what the Cathaoirleach is saying. Is he saying that point b) should not be there on the basis that a country is either a safe country or it is not?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: That is my interpretation.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: I am just not sure what the Cathaoirleach is asking.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: Is the Chair asking that the Department remove it or clarify it on the basis that it is too broad and that we allow applicants from safe countries-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: For what it is worth, I have no difficulty with what it means.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: It means that there are exceptions but that those exceptions will be examined in the same way as with all other applications from non-safe countries.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: I believe it is just that one rule does not fit all and that, in this case, there can be certain instances where it does not. It depends. It could be based on your religion, your sexual orientation or things like that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: If it moves us on, I would say the Chair should just ask for clarity but I am happy with what is there.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: I would interpret it as coming under that same section. I imagine if there are regional issues, that is where you would stipulate where the issue is. That is where the opportunity arises.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: Is that a misprint? Should it be "million" or is it "billion"?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2024)

Verona Murphy: I question the €3.8 billion.

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