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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: It is safe to say that lessons have been learned and flaws have been identified. Substantial flaws have been identified in this contract.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: That is fine. Mr. Quinn might use different language than I do. In terms of the substantial change to the completion date, what does he think the cost implications will be?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: I will call on Mr. Gunning in a moment, but Mr. Quinn and the departmental officials are monitoring this. That his job, as CEO. What extra costs are we talking about in respect of the substantial completion date?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: I wish to ask Mr. Gunning about the figure of €2.24 billion. He stated that the board is using all levers but, to date, it has not been able to use those levers stop the runaway train. Is he in a position to say that this may run beyond the figure of €2.24 for construction, commissioning and having patients and doctors in situ?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: That includes the substantial build. What are the outstanding risks? What are the big retrieving risks Mr. Gunning sees at this point?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: What are numbers two and three?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: Are there other factors?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: Does Mr. Gunning foresee technical problems?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: There might be a few of a different nature, but I will come back to them later. I call Deputy Ó Cathasaigh.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: Given the number of moving parts in this project, I do not think anybody - the Minister or God almighty - is in a position to state that, so we will come back to it.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: At the present rate of progress, and I am thinking of the capacity, the number of people on site and progress as it is now and has been throughout this year so far, can Mr. Gunning say that it is possible, according to the current level of progress?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: It slipped by 40%.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: It slipped by 40%, approximately.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: If you are driving a car at 100 km/h and you are going to Cork, you will get there at the set time of what it takes, but if you drive at 60 km/h, it will take longer. Yes? Okay. We will suspend the meeting for ten minutes-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Munster has told me she has a Dáil engagement later on, so to facilitate her, I am going to allow the meeting to run for ten minutes more before we break. Deputy Munster can go ahead.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: The meeting is suspended for ten minutes. We will come back to this after the break.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: We will continue with some of the issues that we were discussing earlier. I have a question for Mr. Devine on the issue with the windows. We have established there is a centralised system and if there is a fire, the windows would have to close automatically. We have established that, in some places, scaffolding might have to be put up to go the whole way up the six storeys. Mr. Devine...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: That equipment would be very sensitive to moisture and we know it would be very easy to disrupt computers and electrical mechanisms. I saw photographs in recent days of some of the equipment that is being fitted to control the windows which was left out in the rain. I saw photographs where the equipment is damaged, and there is rust and water marks on the equipment. Has Mr. Devine seen that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: I know they are all installed. I will come to that in a minute. Is it correct to say that? My information, which is fairly reliable, is that despite the fact they were damaged - the people who were installing them may or may not have had any control over this - when people pointed out that there might be issues, they were told to install them anyway. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: I am reliably informed that they were outdoors. I have seen the photographs, including of the damage done to them. I am also reliably informed that the people installing them pointed this out but were told to go ahead anyway.

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