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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: As Senator Cullinane suggested, we might send a note back to Graham Love asking him to consider the point about there being no specific guidelines in relation to expenditure for retirement events. I will ask him to consider that matter before he gives us a full response because there is a gap there.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: No, the point is well taken. We will come back to it when we are drafting the report. The PAC cannot implement sanctions against organisations but we can ensure they have proper arrangements in place.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Okay. Deputy Cullinane is quite right. As part of the process when we produce the next report, which we will come to shortly, we will ask the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform to specifically address that question. We will include that in our next report which we will discuss shortly as part of our work programme. The point Deputy Cullinane raised is quite correct. We now move...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes. He is a prison officer. The case has come before us a couple of times.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is the Midlands Prison in Portlaoise. We will follow that up. The next item is No. 913C, correspondence dated 15 November 2017, from Deputy Josepha Madigan, Chair to the Committee on Budgetary Oversight, regarding the Coffey report into corporation tax. We will note that. We have our job to do. The next item is No. 915C dated 13 November 2017 from an individual following up on...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is, yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, and that is stated in the letter. We got a good letter from the Department the previous day setting out the facts of the case. The individual who wrote to us has a point in that the levy is based on the published band of charges as opposed to what is actually charged but the matter requires a change in the legislation. We have exhausted the matter in the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is a fair point.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: He is separately querying the use of the money, but that is a secondary point. The main point is the levying of the fee. We have discussed the issue at length and we have had detailed replies from Horse Racing Ireland, the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine, and a Private Member's Bill was sponsored. Reference is made in the correspondence to Deputy Clare Daly's Bill which...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: In fairness-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I think we will have to suspend if most members wish to vote. I do not propose to carry on by myself. We will suspend and come back straight after the vote.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are now back in public session and will resume our consideration of correspondence received since our last meeting. Item No. 916C is correspondence dated 10 November from an individual relating to the awarding of a contract to a body without a tender process by the Department of Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht. The correspondence raises questions as to why this Department is...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: It relates to Portlaoise Prison. There was an attempted escape. There is a reference to a former prison officer who is deceased.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: He has been in contact with several people.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is ongoing. He has been dismissed from the service.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: The soldiers over the prison fired shots during an escape or attempted escape.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: He was a prison officer on duty. He maintains he was close to being hit and has been traumatised. However, all of that aside, his case has gone through the chief medical officer and everywhere along the line. The person has been officially and formally dismissed at the end of a long process. Obviously, I can understand he is not satisfied with that but it is a matter for the Department of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: MABS is accountable to the Committee of Public Accounts. I suggest that the committee writes to the chief executive or Accounting Officer of MABS directly putting the questions that we want. When we get a reply in writing we can consider inviting the chief executive.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Okay. I will get you to liaise with the secretariat. We will get letters out.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is too late.

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