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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: It is there. The Deputy can come up if she wishes to view it. She will be the tenth contributor. I call Deputy O'Meara.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: I thank Senator Nelson Murray. The next speaker is from Sinn Féin, Senator Tully.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: I thank Senator Tully. I will wrap that up. I call Senator Curley.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: Thanks Senator. Just to reiterate, we are not going to name any schools here today.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: Has the Senator finished his contribution?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: The next few questions are from myself. Like others, I was a teacher for many years and worked for a period as an SNA prior to that. I place huge value on it. Indeed, my classroom could not have functioned for those 16 years but for the times I had an SNA in the room helping children to be part of the class, to be part of the curriculum, and to go home happy. My first question is to the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: Okay. Ms Cockerill's perspective on this is really good. Ms Cockerill is a teacher, the parent of a child with autism, she herself has autism, and is an advocate. I want to ask you about the role of SENOs. I want to put on record that I value what SENOs do. They have an important role and many of them play a very positive role. I have, however, seen SENOs weigh in on situations where...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: I will conclude my contribution by saying that if it is clearly recommended by an educational psychologist that a child should have an SNA, in my opinion - I was a teacher not an educational psychologist - the only person who can contradict that is another educational psychologist who can, maybe, professionally contradict or override someone else. Certainly in my opinion, a SENO cannot step...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: Is that agreed by all members? Agreed. That will be an action of our committee. I thank Deputy Currie. As Cathaoirleach, I sincerely thank Ms Quirke, Mr. Pike, Ms McSherry, Ms Cockerill and Ms Crean for being here today and for all of their insights and their engagement. We are sorry about the time constraints; it is just the way this goes. There is a part B to our meeting where we...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: Everyone is very welcome. I ask those attending remotely to mute their devices when not contributing so that we do not pick up any background noise or feedback. As usual, I remind all of those in attendance to ensure their mobile phones are either on silent mode or switched off entirely. As the officials are within the precincts of Leinster House, they are protected by absolute privilege...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: When the review she referred to is prepared, will Ms Corcoran please send it to the committee because we hope to have a further meeting on this matter in due course? That would be very important to us. Approximately 11 weeks ago, our committee decided to write to the NCSE seeking very important information, which only came in this morning by email at 8.45 a.m. It is very hard for us as...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: We may get to that later. There are so many members to come in. Senator Nelson Murray is next.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: The officials might reply to the Senator in writing. The Senator very skilfully kept it within the parameters and represented the issue very well. Navan has multiple schools. The Senator did not mention an actual school, which is fine, but I urge members to be careful because there are only so many children in schools who get SNA help. If we name a school, if members are going down the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: The Deputy has about 15 seconds to wrap up.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: Thank you very much, Deputy. Look at that for timing - impeccable. Deputy O'Rourke will do the very same.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: I apologise for the fact that we are always very constrained for time at this committee. I apologise if I cut across people as they are speaking. Senator Scahill has four minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: Okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: Sorry, no.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Youth: Recruitment and Retention of Special Needs Assistants: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Cathal Crowe: I am so sorry, Senator.

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