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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: When did Ms Pakes become aware of the safeguarding complaint? Initially, there was this email thread in 2023. Ms Pakes acknowledged that she became aware of it at a later date. When did she become aware of it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: Therefore Ms Pakes is saying it was after the "Prime Time" programme. That is when she became aware.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: Can I ask Ms Pakes a general question, in that case? That might be more appropriate. In the event of a rumour or allegation of this description, typically - taking out the programme and every bit of it-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: This is generic, okay? In the event of an allegation of that nature, would it be typical for stand-down protocol to be initiated fairly promptly? Obviously there is a window here. Ms Pakes may not be able to acknowledge the emails and all that but there is a nine or ten month window here where there was inaction.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: May I ask one final question of Mr. Cooke, Chairman? He is the president of the board. When did the board first become aware of this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: We requested the minutes from boards. Even if they were redacted for matters concerning this, they could have been redacted, and that information has not been furnished here either today.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: I suppose, though, if we are all being-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: To that Chair, with respect, I would add that when someone becomes aware of a concern, that it should also be escalated and acted upon, even when not necessarily made in the form of a complaint. I would like to add one last issue, and it is probably more for Dr. May than anybody else. It comes back to the earlier questions from Deputy Malcolm Byrne. I have sat on seven different boards...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: Should concerns be raised at the board before they are escalated to complaints? The witnesses are saying to us today that they only became aware of them when they became complaints.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: Historically, did that happen prior to this incident?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: So that only happened as a relatively new thing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: I was going to ask generic questions. I have one last generic question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: If somebody comes to one of the witnesses as an individual and says they have heard stuff concerning potential historical complaints, I would like to know what the people referred to, particularly concerning the FAI, think that means. I know what I think historical complaints or complaints of a historical nature mean. I know what that means and what it suggests. I would like to know what...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: I am asking the question outside of any individual case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: Chair, I will just finish. I know what I think when somebody infers there is stuff behind the scenes of a historical nature. We are all grown-ups in the room. We know what that infers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: The point is the association should have done it in 2023.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: Mr. Keohane cannot speak about it, because he was not aware of it to be fair to him.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: Mr. Keohane and the president did.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: To be fair to Senator NĂ­ Chuilinn, she hit the nail on the head there when she made the comparison with racism. We are all familiar with those campaigns. Things are escalated immediately. There has been a time lag here between the emails and the actual complaint, which I think is inexcusable. Whatever about people's ability or inability to talk about the emails, it is inexcusable. ...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Safeguarding Policies and Procedures within the Football Association of Ireland: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Pádraig O'Sullivan: The focus today of today's meeting, though, to be fair, has been on 2023. Let us be straight about it.

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