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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: All the recommendations were implemented prior to EY being paid whatever it was paid.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. O'Driscoll might give-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I have a copy of the Toland report. It quoted the Morris tribunal report, which stated, “An Garda Síochána is losing its character as a disciplined force." That was a long time ago. There was an absence of oversight from the Department and that remains an ongoing issue. Mr. O'Driscoll referred to the comment from the ERG group to the effect that gardaí often ended up...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I accept what Mr. O'Driscoll is stating. The new governance structures will pre-empt any problems in the future in respect of that type of culture, namely, of being in ditches together-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I am more interested in the Department and what was said about it back in 2014. Reference was made to a "deferential" relationship with An Garda Síochána, with a lack of proper strategic accountability being brought to bear on the force by the Department. Is Mr. O'Driscoll telling me that era has ended and that going forward, there will be------

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Okay. On direct provision, Mr. O'Driscoll's presentation made reference to ongoing learning and change. To be precise, at slide 34 he spoke about "continuous improvement". How does that apply to direct provision?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: When is the Department going to have a more coherent approach to direct provision?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is good.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: One moment please. I have only a few minutes in which to ask questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I am sure the Chair will give Mr. O'Driscoll plenty of time to develop his points but he is not going to give me plenty of time. On direct provision, two committees have been set up, which is good. However, they have been set up as a result of what happened; they were not set up proactively. They were not set up because problems had been highlighted repeatedly. I have been to Oughterard...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: What is the up-to-date figure?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: There are 1,500 people in hotels. How many people with refugee status are still in direct provision? What is the up-to-date figure?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Is it more than 800? I ask that the Department come back with-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Yes, but it does not fall below the high hundreds.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The Department has known that for a very long time. Why was a group not set up proactively to examine this? It is not sustainable-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: There is now, after we have had Achill, Oughterard-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I am mixing up apples and oranges.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is not a very good analogy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Absolutely.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Departmental Transformation Programme: Department of Justice and Equality (6 Nov 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Absolutely.

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