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Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: I perused the budget for 2015 and discovered that €22 million has been allocated for seven flagship capital projects at the GPO and Kilmainham. There are plans for ceremonies, parades, cultural and youth projects, plus events concerned with the diaspora and language. I read the document or package in front of the committee some time ago and, like everyone else, I have read bits and...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: Joe Duffy featured that issue about three years ago.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: Mr. Hamill is not really answering the question. I understand what has been going on. I have read the list of historians and am aware Mr. Manning is chairing that committee. I see a danger in having politicians dealing with 1916. The people in Cabinet are fine people and many of them probably know more about history and the Easter Rising than I do, but the danger is that this will be used...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: That is fair enough. However, Mr. Hamill mentioned Joe Duffy. What he did was a very good example of what needs to be repeated. I have been listening to and reading takes from historians and other experts for the past year and it is leaving me cold at this point. They are not focusing on the people who died. It seems to be irrelevant to some of them. There is a dearth with regard to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: I find it disappointing that Mr. Hamill cannot specify any particular direction on remembering the people who died. He is making the case that he is giving money to the local authorities and that this will be dealt with over the next year. It is clear that the focus is not on the individuals who died but rather the pomp and parade.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: I would not, to be honest with Mr. Hamill, when it comes to local authorities. Both my grandfathers were in the old IRA. A few local authorities - Cork, Wexford, Tipperary - passed rules that ex-servicemen who came back from the front could not be employed by those authorities. I am not saying that opinion still exists. I think Mr. Hamill should be very careful about devolving money and...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: I will allow Mr. Hamill to answer that before I call Deputy Ross. Deputy Costello owes Deputy Ross an apology. Perhaps Mr. Hamill can give his answer now to get this out of the way.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: In order to avoid any ambiguity with regard to my view and my position with regard to 1916, this is the Committee of Public Accounts and a lot of money is being spent this year with a lot more to be spent next year. I believe that equal weight should be given when it comes to commemorating British soldiers, RIC men, volunteers and civilians, who were casualties in the Easter Rising. I will...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: I ask if the Secretary General would do so.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: The problem is that we need to take the politics out of this but it is now a political process, to a certain extent. This is different from that standpoint. It has become entangled in politics already. That is where it is a little different when it comes to the Secretary General and the kind of leadership that is necessary from his Department and from him. The Secretary General knows...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: It is completely different. A benchmark will be needed for dealing with 1921 and 1923 and those who died in that time and this commemoration will be the test. The test will be how one deals with those who were victims or who died in 1916, as there will be a resonance in 1921, 1922 and 1923. This must be borne in mind.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: Perhaps Mr. Hamill might refer back to us.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: Given all of the money we are spending here, I would like to find out what specific projects have been planned or are in the pipeline. It would be interesting to find out.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: I wish to refer briefly to the official languages Bill. Mr. Hamill mentions that it is on the A list, with the National Concert Hall Bill. There is an historical issue with the official languages Bill which I have raised for many years. It relates to the translation of documents. The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform has been involved to a degree on this issue through its...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: Reports will continue to be printed in Irish.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: The complainants, in my experience, are the people who actively speak Irish. There is a Gaeltacht in my constituency and the ones who are more horrified by this are Irish speakers. I do not know whom Mr. Hamill is consulting because the people to whom I speak believe the money should go back into their communities where Irish is being spoken and to try to prevent people from leaving the country.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: What does the amendment do?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: There is another cost - there is the cost of translation and then the cost of publication.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: Mr. Hamill is hoping to cut out all publication costs.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 33 - Department of the Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht
Chapter 9 - Accounting for National Gallery of Ireland Expenditure
Financial Statements of the National Library 2012 and 2013
(29 Jan 2015)

John Deasy: Some Departments are already doing this, but not all.

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